Comments on: Review: New Indianapolis Airport Terminal – Part 1: Exterior http://www.urbanophile.com/2008/10/15/review-new-indianapolis-airport-terminal-part-1-exterior/ Passionate About Cities Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:28:26 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Anonymous http://www.urbanophile.com/2008/10/15/review-new-indianapolis-airport-terminal-part-1-exterior/comment-page-1/#comment-3905 Anonymous Sat, 13 Jun 2009 18:14:44 +0000 http://www.arenn.com/blog/2008/10/15/review-new-indianapolis-airport-terminal-part-1-exterior/#comment-3905 I think the terminal looks fine, not $1.1 billion worth, but whatever. My biggest issue is that they spent so much time and effort on this and then build a puny cellphone lot. If you've ever been there, you can barely get a midsize SUV in and out and it obviously doesn't have enough capacity.<br /><br />Another quirk are the terminal markers along the arrival drive up. You can barely read them from your car. White lettering on a clear window?? What were they thinking??<br /><br />Again, nice terminal, but when it comes to the basic day to day functionality I think they need to resolve these two issues. I think the terminal looks fine, not $1.1 billion worth, but whatever. My biggest issue is that they spent so much time and effort on this and then build a puny cellphone lot. If you've ever been there, you can barely get a midsize SUV in and out and it obviously doesn't have enough capacity.

Another quirk are the terminal markers along the arrival drive up. You can barely read them from your car. White lettering on a clear window?? What were they thinking??

Again, nice terminal, but when it comes to the basic day to day functionality I think they need to resolve these two issues.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.urbanophile.com/2008/10/15/review-new-indianapolis-airport-terminal-part-1-exterior/comment-page-1/#comment-3637 Anonymous Wed, 20 May 2009 17:31:32 +0000 http://www.arenn.com/blog/2008/10/15/review-new-indianapolis-airport-terminal-part-1-exterior/#comment-3637 Check out HOK's blog for an internal glance at their design methodologies: http://hoklife.com/2008/11/03/the-big-idea-and-sustainable-design-for-the-new-indianapolis-airport-terminal/ Check out HOK’s blog for an internal glance at their design methodologies: http://hoklife.com/2008/11/03/the-big-idea-and-sustainable-design-for-the-new-indianapolis-airport-terminal/

]]> By: The Urbanophile http://www.urbanophile.com/2008/10/15/review-new-indianapolis-airport-terminal-part-1-exterior/comment-page-1/#comment-2228 The Urbanophile Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:49:00 +0000 http://www.arenn.com/blog/2008/10/15/review-new-indianapolis-airport-terminal-part-1-exterior/#comment-2228 Thanks for the correction. Thanks for the correction.

]]> By: Joel http://www.urbanophile.com/2008/10/15/review-new-indianapolis-airport-terminal-part-1-exterior/comment-page-1/#comment-2225 Joel Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:30:00 +0000 http://www.arenn.com/blog/2008/10/15/review-new-indianapolis-airport-terminal-part-1-exterior/#comment-2225 The original tower was designed by I.M. Pei. The original tower was designed by I.M. Pei.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.urbanophile.com/2008/10/15/review-new-indianapolis-airport-terminal-part-1-exterior/comment-page-1/#comment-2143 Anonymous Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:04:00 +0000 http://www.arenn.com/blog/2008/10/15/review-new-indianapolis-airport-terminal-part-1-exterior/#comment-2143 That 10% feed (which is in the area of 1M) is what keeps those flights profitable...without that feed...those flights are not sustainable on pure O&D traffic. That 10% feed (which is in the area of 1M) is what keeps those flights profitable…without that feed…those flights are not sustainable on pure O&D traffic.

]]> By: Indy http://www.urbanophile.com/2008/10/15/review-new-indianapolis-airport-terminal-part-1-exterior/comment-page-1/#comment-2131 Indy Wed, 22 Oct 2008 21:57:00 +0000 http://www.arenn.com/blog/2008/10/15/review-new-indianapolis-airport-terminal-part-1-exterior/#comment-2131 thundermutt is right about the traffic. A focus city is not a hub. A focus city is an airport where an airline offers a number of nonstop destinations to locations other than their hubs. The focus of the service is to service origination and destination traffic where a hub focuses on connecting the dots. There is some feed in IND but that amounts to only about 10% for NW. Compare that to places like CVG and CLT where feed makes up nearly 70%.<br/><br/>I've seen it stated before and it is so true. The real money is in origination and destination traffic. There is no money in feed. If NW/DL can keep filling planes here with O/D traffic the service will stay. They have obviously remained successful or NW would not have leased 9 gates in the new terminal. The combined airline will control 12 gates.<br/><br/>IND has another advantage for the merged airline and that is a good connecting point between hubs where the airline can shuttle passengers to work around flight delays and cancellations.<br/><br/>NW/DL has an interest in IND. What happens if they cut service here? An LCC will likely ramp up service even more. The last thing NW/DL wants is a huge operation here for someone like AirTran. thundermutt is right about the traffic. A focus city is not a hub. A focus city is an airport where an airline offers a number of nonstop destinations to locations other than their hubs. The focus of the service is to service origination and destination traffic where a hub focuses on connecting the dots. There is some feed in IND but that amounts to only about 10% for NW. Compare that to places like CVG and CLT where feed makes up nearly 70%.

I’ve seen it stated before and it is so true. The real money is in origination and destination traffic. There is no money in feed. If NW/DL can keep filling planes here with O/D traffic the service will stay. They have obviously remained successful or NW would not have leased 9 gates in the new terminal. The combined airline will control 12 gates.

IND has another advantage for the merged airline and that is a good connecting point between hubs where the airline can shuttle passengers to work around flight delays and cancellations.

NW/DL has an interest in IND. What happens if they cut service here? An LCC will likely ramp up service even more. The last thing NW/DL wants is a huge operation here for someone like AirTran.

]]> By: thundermutt http://www.urbanophile.com/2008/10/15/review-new-indianapolis-airport-terminal-part-1-exterior/comment-page-1/#comment-2130 thundermutt Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:27:00 +0000 http://www.arenn.com/blog/2008/10/15/review-new-indianapolis-airport-terminal-part-1-exterior/#comment-2130 ...and just like every other time one airline has cut back, another airline will see the opportunity to grab that market share. <br/><br/>The world is dynamic, not static. People who fly out of here won't stop flying because DL/NW cuts back flights. …and just like every other time one airline has cut back, another airline will see the opportunity to grab that market share.

The world is dynamic, not static. People who fly out of here won’t stop flying because DL/NW cuts back flights.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.urbanophile.com/2008/10/15/review-new-indianapolis-airport-terminal-part-1-exterior/comment-page-1/#comment-2129 Anonymous Tue, 21 Oct 2008 23:07:00 +0000 http://www.arenn.com/blog/2008/10/15/review-new-indianapolis-airport-terminal-part-1-exterior/#comment-2129 Thunder...you digress<br/><br/>DL will pay the debt if they move on just as AA has continued to pay the debt at RDU and BNA..both former hubs.<br/><br/>CVG has more valuable O&D than IND. Period. End of story.<br/><br/>If DL/NW un-focus at IND...will see immediate 30-40 flight/day decrease Thunder…you digress

DL will pay the debt if they move on just as AA has continued to pay the debt at RDU and BNA..both former hubs.

CVG has more valuable O&D than IND. Period. End of story.

If DL/NW un-focus at IND…will see immediate 30-40 flight/day decrease

]]> By: thundermutt http://www.urbanophile.com/2008/10/15/review-new-indianapolis-airport-terminal-part-1-exterior/comment-page-1/#comment-2128 thundermutt Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:16:00 +0000 http://www.arenn.com/blog/2008/10/15/review-new-indianapolis-airport-terminal-part-1-exterior/#comment-2128 The fact that IND is NOT a hub is an advantage both to the airport itself and to the city's residents, at least as far as the potential impact of one airline's failure or withdrawal from the market.<br/><br/>(Who will end up paying the bond debt at CVG when DL pulls out because they don't need another RJ hub anywhere between Detroit, Memphis, and Atlanta?)<br/><br/>And all this relates to having an attractive, serviceable, functional local airport...how? The fact that IND is NOT a hub is an advantage both to the airport itself and to the city’s residents, at least as far as the potential impact of one airline’s failure or withdrawal from the market.

(Who will end up paying the bond debt at CVG when DL pulls out because they don’t need another RJ hub anywhere between Detroit, Memphis, and Atlanta?)

And all this relates to having an attractive, serviceable, functional local airport…how?

]]> By: David http://www.urbanophile.com/2008/10/15/review-new-indianapolis-airport-terminal-part-1-exterior/comment-page-1/#comment-2123 David Tue, 21 Oct 2008 00:30:00 +0000 http://www.arenn.com/blog/2008/10/15/review-new-indianapolis-airport-terminal-part-1-exterior/#comment-2123 Thundermutt,<br/><br/>IND handles 8M (actually < 8M) total passengers/year. 1/2 depart and the other 1/2 arrive. So...that means @ 11,000 pax/day leave IND. Now, how many of those are really connecting at IND? That means they started somewhere else, landed in IND to take a pee, then get on another flight? It is likely that numbers @1M/year. That 1M/year allows DL/NW to focus on IND with more flights than it could support if there were no focus.<br/><br/>Same is true about CVG but much larger scale as DL/NWA at CVG is a hub...not a focus.<br/><br/>Also, for your homework, which city (IND or CVG) have a greater proportion of O&D business travelers? (not connecting traffic).<br/><br/>CVG wins by a landslide because:<br/>a) It has far more business/industry than IND<br/><br/><br/>IND wins in the low fare category by an equal landslide.<br/><br/>However, in this day when airlines are trying to survive...the business traveler at CVG that pays $800 is in far more abundance than the same at IND.<br/><br/>DL was stupid to ever put a hub at CVG in the first place. The reason...DAY, CMH, IND, SDF and LEX are all within 100 miles or so and all of them skim off what would be additional O&D CVG traffic.<br/><br/>I am not knocking IND. It has great air service for its size; just beware that it is also vulnerable to the vagueries of the airline business. The 800# gorilla is not CVG...it is ORD...and that my friend is the sole reason IND will not likely ever be a major int'l hub. Thundermutt,

IND handles 8M (actually < 8M) total passengers/year. 1/2 depart and the other 1/2 arrive. So…that means @ 11,000 pax/day leave IND. Now, how many of those are really connecting at IND? That means they started somewhere else, landed in IND to take a pee, then get on another flight? It is likely that numbers @1M/year. That 1M/year allows DL/NW to focus on IND with more flights than it could support if there were no focus.

Same is true about CVG but much larger scale as DL/NWA at CVG is a hub…not a focus.

Also, for your homework, which city (IND or CVG) have a greater proportion of O&D business travelers? (not connecting traffic).

CVG wins by a landslide because:
a) It has far more business/industry than IND

IND wins in the low fare category by an equal landslide.

However, in this day when airlines are trying to survive…the business traveler at CVG that pays $800 is in far more abundance than the same at IND.

DL was stupid to ever put a hub at CVG in the first place. The reason…DAY, CMH, IND, SDF and LEX are all within 100 miles or so and all of them skim off what would be additional O&D CVG traffic.

I am not knocking IND. It has great air service for its size; just beware that it is also vulnerable to the vagueries of the airline business. The 800# gorilla is not CVG…it is ORD…and that my friend is the sole reason IND will not likely ever be a major int'l hub.

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