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		<title>By: SpeedBlue47</title>
		<link>http://www.urbanophile.com/2009/02/07/the-logic-of-failure/comment-page-1/#comment-2720</link>
		<dc:creator>SpeedBlue47</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 00:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, now I&#039;ve read it all.  A Thomas Sowell reference on a urban affairs blog?  No wonder I feel most at home here.  There have actually been many great books written about this phenomenon, and directly how it relates to planning and its failures.  Some examples would be &quot;Blight Ideas&quot; which I pimp around the development circle often, as well as &quot;The Best Laid Plans&quot; by Randall O&#039;Toole(Cato Institute).  Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams both spend much of their writing exposing the folly of planning hubris.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It is refreshing seeing someone that is taken seriously in the development community is trying to introduce a little sanity to urban policy.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Oh, and Aaron, thank you for introducing me to land value taxation.  I have no idea how this idea had never been presented to me before, but this is close to what I believe is the best possible way to tie policy to direct feedback within a compulsory tax regime.  Though I have to say that as a government revenue policy, it may be a tough sell politically.  Unless there are extreme exceptions made, this could cause sudden huge development shifts and demographic changes throughout the city due to people being &quot;tax priced&quot; out of their homes and being forced to sell their properties to developers of either higher-end or higher-density development.  Which is not necessarily a bad thing, but pictures of old ladies being &quot;forced&quot; to sell the family home to a &quot;greedy&quot; developer to build a &quot;high rise&quot; would hamper political support for such a plan.  I think that LVT districts in high impact neighborhoods could be a great way to test the concept, and to make headway towards developing underdeveloped property in those areas.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Maybe we could move to a LVT system gradually?  Say commercial properties will switch immediately, but residential properties will switch to LVT once they change title after a certain date(or after 15 years max)?  I don&#039;t know if that would be too slow of a transition, but surely the details could be manipulated.  My main concern would be the LVT tax rate having a lot of variability over the transition.  And also, I hear that LVT causes a one-time sometimes substantial dent in property values, which might cause many people to balk.  But I think it would be hard to argue with a tax system that doesn&#039;t penalize those that invest in their properties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, now I&#8217;ve read it all.  A Thomas Sowell reference on a urban affairs blog?  No wonder I feel most at home here.  There have actually been many great books written about this phenomenon, and directly how it relates to planning and its failures.  Some examples would be &#8220;Blight Ideas&#8221; which I pimp around the development circle often, as well as &#8220;The Best Laid Plans&#8221; by Randall O&#8217;Toole(Cato Institute).  Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams both spend much of their writing exposing the folly of planning hubris.</p>
<p>It is refreshing seeing someone that is taken seriously in the development community is trying to introduce a little sanity to urban policy.</p>
<p>Oh, and Aaron, thank you for introducing me to land value taxation.  I have no idea how this idea had never been presented to me before, but this is close to what I believe is the best possible way to tie policy to direct feedback within a compulsory tax regime.  Though I have to say that as a government revenue policy, it may be a tough sell politically.  Unless there are extreme exceptions made, this could cause sudden huge development shifts and demographic changes throughout the city due to people being &#8220;tax priced&#8221; out of their homes and being forced to sell their properties to developers of either higher-end or higher-density development.  Which is not necessarily a bad thing, but pictures of old ladies being &#8220;forced&#8221; to sell the family home to a &#8220;greedy&#8221; developer to build a &#8220;high rise&#8221; would hamper political support for such a plan.  I think that LVT districts in high impact neighborhoods could be a great way to test the concept, and to make headway towards developing underdeveloped property in those areas.</p>
<p>Maybe we could move to a LVT system gradually?  Say commercial properties will switch immediately, but residential properties will switch to LVT once they change title after a certain date(or after 15 years max)?  I don&#8217;t know if that would be too slow of a transition, but surely the details could be manipulated.  My main concern would be the LVT tax rate having a lot of variability over the transition.  And also, I hear that LVT causes a one-time sometimes substantial dent in property values, which might cause many people to balk.  But I think it would be hard to argue with a tax system that doesn&#8217;t penalize those that invest in their properties.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Simes</title>
		<link>http://www.urbanophile.com/2009/02/07/the-logic-of-failure/comment-page-1/#comment-2719</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Simes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 01:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a natural process that humans create a new problem for each current problem they solve.  For each of the urban issues you mentioned they did solve a problem at that particular time.  They did create a host of new problems, but urban renewal did provide lots of affordable housing, green space, and new road connections.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I could debate all day that the implementation of the housing was a miserable failure while citing Jane Jacobs.  I could talk about how poorly executed the green spaces were while channeling William Whyte.  And I could babble on and on about how the interstate system fundamentally changed the way people conduct their daily lives in a negative way.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The point is that we solve the problems we know how to solve and have the ability to do so.  It&#039;s easy to point out the problems of the past because we aren&#039;t living in it, but there was as much public push for these things to happen as there was outcry against it from neighborhood activists.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Plus, if we solved all of our problems then us dreamers would be out of jobs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a natural process that humans create a new problem for each current problem they solve.  For each of the urban issues you mentioned they did solve a problem at that particular time.  They did create a host of new problems, but urban renewal did provide lots of affordable housing, green space, and new road connections.</p>
<p>I could debate all day that the implementation of the housing was a miserable failure while citing Jane Jacobs.  I could talk about how poorly executed the green spaces were while channeling William Whyte.  And I could babble on and on about how the interstate system fundamentally changed the way people conduct their daily lives in a negative way.</p>
<p>The point is that we solve the problems we know how to solve and have the ability to do so.  It&#8217;s easy to point out the problems of the past because we aren&#8217;t living in it, but there was as much public push for these things to happen as there was outcry against it from neighborhood activists.</p>
<p>Plus, if we solved all of our problems then us dreamers would be out of jobs.</p>
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		<title>By: thundermutt</title>
		<link>http://www.urbanophile.com/2009/02/07/the-logic-of-failure/comment-page-1/#comment-2718</link>
		<dc:creator>thundermutt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 16:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post expresses a really good argument about attempting systemic change in urban affairs:  the cityscape as it exists is an expression of a multitude of systems playing off each other.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Often it takes a generation or more to see (much less understand) the unintended consequences of altering one system.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And it is absolutely necessary for someone to say &quot;hey wait a minute&quot; and argue against the prevailing cookie-cutter solution to the problem-du-jour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post expresses a really good argument about attempting systemic change in urban affairs:  the cityscape as it exists is an expression of a multitude of systems playing off each other.  </p>
<p>Often it takes a generation or more to see (much less understand) the unintended consequences of altering one system.</p>
<p>And it is absolutely necessary for someone to say &#8220;hey wait a minute&#8221; and argue against the prevailing cookie-cutter solution to the problem-du-jour.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.urbanophile.com/2009/02/07/the-logic-of-failure/comment-page-1/#comment-2717</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 15:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article sums up one of the main reasons I read your blog constantly.  You take issues (for instance light rail) and take a step back and analyze them with an objective stance I rarely see.  You look at things very rationally and don&#039;t reiterate the shrill emotional arguments that we hear time and time again from advocacy groups.  It&#039;s very refreshing and rare to read those types of articles.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Let me end with a paraphrased quote from Thomas Sowell: &quot;It is important to analyze not only the intentions of a policy but what the actual result of that policy was.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article sums up one of the main reasons I read your blog constantly.  You take issues (for instance light rail) and take a step back and analyze them with an objective stance I rarely see.  You look at things very rationally and don&#8217;t reiterate the shrill emotional arguments that we hear time and time again from advocacy groups.  It&#8217;s very refreshing and rare to read those types of articles.  </p>
<p>Let me end with a paraphrased quote from Thomas Sowell: &#8220;It is important to analyze not only the intentions of a policy but what the actual result of that policy was.&#8221;</p>
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