Comments on: Louisville: Vice City http://www.urbanophile.com/2009/03/15/louisville-vice-city/ Passionate About Cities Thu, 09 Feb 2012 15:39:17 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Anonymous http://www.urbanophile.com/2009/03/15/louisville-vice-city/comment-page-1/#comment-3988 Anonymous Sat, 20 Jun 2009 16:36:25 +0000 http://www.arenn.com/blog/2009/03/15/louisville-vice-city/#comment-3988 Does anyone remember the Cheyenne Men's Social Club from the late 1960's to early 1980's on Preston where Trixie's is now? If so, does anyone have any photos? My wife was a dancer there in the 70's, and I would pay for photos.<br />MOTU6969@SBCGLOBAL.NET Does anyone remember the Cheyenne Men's Social Club from the late 1960's to early 1980's on Preston where Trixie's is now? If so, does anyone have any photos? My wife was a dancer there in the 70's, and I would pay for photos.
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]]> By: Pip http://www.urbanophile.com/2009/03/15/louisville-vice-city/comment-page-1/#comment-2997 Pip Thu, 19 Mar 2009 21:52:00 +0000 http://www.arenn.com/blog/2009/03/15/louisville-vice-city/#comment-2997 This seems appropriate: http://campaign-archive.com/?u=92b7b42abab04ef779e78b4af&id=05d5b6cb7e&e=b1e23e3a27 This seems appropriate: http://campaign-archive.com/?u=92b7b42abab04ef779e78b4af&id=05d5b6cb7e&e=b1e23e3a27

]]> By: CARR http://www.urbanophile.com/2009/03/15/louisville-vice-city/comment-page-1/#comment-2987 CARR Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:08:00 +0000 http://www.arenn.com/blog/2009/03/15/louisville-vice-city/#comment-2987 Urbanophile,<br/><br/>Why would you be surprised about the vice city suggestion? I think you might be surprised just how many people have thought about that same thing. When the governor was pushing for casino gambling it was mentioned several times that Louisville would get a downtown casino to compete with Horseshoe. <br/><br/>One of the reasons that Churchill Downs expanded was because they think that either casino gambling or at least slots at racetracks will be approved. Churchill doesn't even use most of the space they have after the renovation. Urbanophile,

Why would you be surprised about the vice city suggestion? I think you might be surprised just how many people have thought about that same thing. When the governor was pushing for casino gambling it was mentioned several times that Louisville would get a downtown casino to compete with Horseshoe.

One of the reasons that Churchill Downs expanded was because they think that either casino gambling or at least slots at racetracks will be approved. Churchill doesn’t even use most of the space they have after the renovation.

]]> By: Alon Levy http://www.urbanophile.com/2009/03/15/louisville-vice-city/comment-page-1/#comment-2981 Alon Levy Wed, 18 Mar 2009 04:04:00 +0000 http://www.arenn.com/blog/2009/03/15/louisville-vice-city/#comment-2981 Ah, alright.<br/><br/>On another note: you can compare the two data sets I link to by multiplying the tax total by 1.327. Indy's still a net tax recipient - Marion County gets $1.13 in spending per dollar in taxes - but it's also a state capital, and these get a lot more money than other cities. Ah, alright.

On another note: you can compare the two data sets I link to by multiplying the tax total by 1.327. Indy’s still a net tax recipient – Marion County gets $1.13 in spending per dollar in taxes – but it’s also a state capital, and these get a lot more money than other cities.

]]> By: The Urbanophile http://www.urbanophile.com/2009/03/15/louisville-vice-city/comment-page-1/#comment-2979 The Urbanophile Wed, 18 Mar 2009 03:45:00 +0000 http://www.arenn.com/blog/2009/03/15/louisville-vice-city/#comment-2979 That's ok - I just don't want this to turn into another Indy vs. Louisville flamewar. That’s ok – I just don’t want this to turn into another Indy vs. Louisville flamewar.

]]> By: Alon Levy http://www.urbanophile.com/2009/03/15/louisville-vice-city/comment-page-1/#comment-2978 Alon Levy Wed, 18 Mar 2009 03:42:00 +0000 http://www.arenn.com/blog/2009/03/15/louisville-vice-city/#comment-2978 I'm not trying to do city vs. city, and I apologize if I failed to convey that. I was essentially riffing off of the idea that St. Louis was already a vice city, but is not how a city would want to look like. I’m not trying to do city vs. city, and I apologize if I failed to convey that. I was essentially riffing off of the idea that St. Louis was already a vice city, but is not how a city would want to look like.

]]> By: The Urbanophile http://www.urbanophile.com/2009/03/15/louisville-vice-city/comment-page-1/#comment-2977 The Urbanophile Wed, 18 Mar 2009 03:28:00 +0000 http://www.arenn.com/blog/2009/03/15/louisville-vice-city/#comment-2977 Remember, no city vs. city in this thread. Thank you. Remember, no city vs. city in this thread. Thank you.

]]> By: Alon Levy http://www.urbanophile.com/2009/03/15/louisville-vice-city/comment-page-1/#comment-2975 Alon Levy Wed, 18 Mar 2009 01:04:00 +0000 http://www.arenn.com/blog/2009/03/15/louisville-vice-city/#comment-2975 No, Marion County is a net tax recipient, too. Capital regions often are; some of them can thrive with federal money - especially DC, but also Austin, Albany, Sacramento, etc. The same is true for military cities - the Hampton Roads area gets about $30,000 per capita in spending. The failed cities are those that aren't centers of government spending, and still get more money than they pay in taxes; this tends to indicative severe poverty.<br/><br/>The data I'm using is mostly unavailable now. There's tax data per county <a HREF="http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/2229.html" REL="nofollow">here</a>, and spending data <a HREF="http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/" REL="nofollow">here</a>. The problem is that the tax data is as of 2004, and the spending data as of 2007; I did the calculations for StL back when both data sets were as of 2004. I didn't do calculations for Indy, unfortunately. I did them only for the largest metros, plus Detroit, Cleveland, StL, and a few more in Upstate New York and California. No, Marion County is a net tax recipient, too. Capital regions often are; some of them can thrive with federal money – especially DC, but also Austin, Albany, Sacramento, etc. The same is true for military cities – the Hampton Roads area gets about $30,000 per capita in spending. The failed cities are those that aren’t centers of government spending, and still get more money than they pay in taxes; this tends to indicative severe poverty.

The data I’m using is mostly unavailable now. There’s tax data per county here, and spending data here. The problem is that the tax data is as of 2004, and the spending data as of 2007; I did the calculations for StL back when both data sets were as of 2004. I didn’t do calculations for Indy, unfortunately. I did them only for the largest metros, plus Detroit, Cleveland, StL, and a few more in Upstate New York and California.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.urbanophile.com/2009/03/15/louisville-vice-city/comment-page-1/#comment-2973 Anonymous Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:47:00 +0000 http://www.arenn.com/blog/2009/03/15/louisville-vice-city/#comment-2973 Alon: There you go again....<br/><br/>"St. Louis is a failed city. It's one of the few metro areas in the US that gets more in federal spending than it pays in taxes and that isn't a capital, like Albany or Washington. Other cities with this dubious distinction include depressed Buffalo and Providence, and military-dependent San Diego (barely). Even Cleveland and Detroit pay more than they get back once you include their suburbs."<br/><br/>Per capita the Fed spends these amounts:<br/>Marion County $8699<br/>St. Louis County $5765<br/><br/>I would find it hard to believe that St. Louis Metro does not return more than it receives from the Feds...now Indy on the other hand gets $3K more per capita...perhaps it gets more than it returns?<br/><br/>Snarkily yours - anon<br/><br/>PS If St. Louis is a 'failed city' (which it is not) then Indy is also a 'failed city (which it is not). St. Louis Metro, if anything, is 1/2 again as large as Indy Metro. Alon: There you go again….

“St. Louis is a failed city. It’s one of the few metro areas in the US that gets more in federal spending than it pays in taxes and that isn’t a capital, like Albany or Washington. Other cities with this dubious distinction include depressed Buffalo and Providence, and military-dependent San Diego (barely). Even Cleveland and Detroit pay more than they get back once you include their suburbs.”

Per capita the Fed spends these amounts:
Marion County $8699
St. Louis County $5765

I would find it hard to believe that St. Louis Metro does not return more than it receives from the Feds…now Indy on the other hand gets $3K more per capita…perhaps it gets more than it returns?

Snarkily yours – anon

PS If St. Louis is a ‘failed city’ (which it is not) then Indy is also a ‘failed city (which it is not). St. Louis Metro, if anything, is 1/2 again as large as Indy Metro.

]]> By: The Urbanophile http://www.urbanophile.com/2009/03/15/louisville-vice-city/comment-page-1/#comment-2967 The Urbanophile Tue, 17 Mar 2009 03:35:00 +0000 http://www.arenn.com/blog/2009/03/15/louisville-vice-city/#comment-2967 Thanks for the comments everyone. Honestly, I'm surprised that people kind of like some of these ideas. Great additional suggestions. I like the "Playtime" angle and think the "Dionysian zone" term is something that should be in wider use. Thanks for the comments everyone. Honestly, I’m surprised that people kind of like some of these ideas. Great additional suggestions. I like the “Playtime” angle and think the “Dionysian zone” term is something that should be in wider use.

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