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		<title>By: The Urbanophile</title>
		<link>http://www.urbanophile.com/2009/05/17/columbus-the-new-midwestern-star/comment-page-1/#comment-3867</link>
		<dc:creator>The Urbanophile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 22:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michelle, thanks for the insightful perspectives - and I agree with you on the authenticity point. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Carmel-Dublin comparison would be interesting. I&#039;d have to do more research on Dublin though, and I&#039;m not sure I&#039;ll ever get the time to do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michelle, thanks for the insightful perspectives &#8211; and I agree with you on the authenticity point. </p>
<p>The Carmel-Dublin comparison would be interesting. I&#39;d have to do more research on Dublin though, and I&#39;m not sure I&#39;ll ever get the time to do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 20:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Columbus native now living in Indy I find your posts on Columbus fascinating.  I must admit my visits &quot;home&quot; these days are usually quick trips spent mostly with my family, not exploring parts of the city, so my perceptions may be a bit skewed. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;After reading all the comments, though, here&#039;s my two cents:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;- OSU is definitely the closest thing to a brand that Cbus has (besides the nickname Cbus, which is cute but not much else).  As someone else said, Columbusites are Buckeyes whether they like it or not.  Growing up there, I never watched pro football, only college.  The campus is beautiful in spots, and wonderfully grungy in others, like you&#039;d expect.  I&#039;ve always been a fan of the grungy bits.  And as far as culture goes, the Wexner center is fabulous.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Dublin IS Cbus&#039; Carmel.  A comparison would be interesting.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Easton, I think, is one of my most loathed parts of Columbus.  I&#039;ve often described it as the Disneyland of malls.  It makes me sort of ill to be there for too long.  I think a lot of it has to do with the architecture.  They&#039;ve gone a long way to make it look &quot;nice&quot; and pretty and colorful, but it all feels very temporary, like a movie set.  Maybe someone more versed in city development would be able to tell me why I feel that way. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I agree that the Arena district, is, by comparison, one of the most successful new additions to the city.  I hope that downtown continues to grow more vibrant, like Indy&#039;s is. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Besides High St, Grandview is a fun area for independent business and nice restaurants.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I wish that Columbus would make more effort to highlight all the little neighborhoods or districts they have, as Indy has done with its cultural districts.  As noted in the post, this needs signage and other marketing, like visitor maps and business directories.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The convention center is nothing short of ugly; my father always called it The Architecht&#039;s Nightmare.  My biggest gripe is that it looks okay, interesting, whatever, from the street, but from above (as you see it from the highway) or the back it looks like airplane hangers - awful.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I hope that new architecture and/or developments in the city are, above all else, AUTHENTIC.  Be bold and crazy in design, but don&#039;t try to imitate - do your own thing.  Or, be concious of local history and reflect on that.  Better yet, just improve on what&#039;s already there.  I would hate to see the city turn into a homogeneous landscape of faux &quot;towne centres&quot; trying to be something they never will be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Columbus native now living in Indy I find your posts on Columbus fascinating.  I must admit my visits &quot;home&quot; these days are usually quick trips spent mostly with my family, not exploring parts of the city, so my perceptions may be a bit skewed. </p>
<p>After reading all the comments, though, here&#39;s my two cents:</p>
<p>- OSU is definitely the closest thing to a brand that Cbus has (besides the nickname Cbus, which is cute but not much else).  As someone else said, Columbusites are Buckeyes whether they like it or not.  Growing up there, I never watched pro football, only college.  The campus is beautiful in spots, and wonderfully grungy in others, like you&#39;d expect.  I&#39;ve always been a fan of the grungy bits.  And as far as culture goes, the Wexner center is fabulous.</p>
<p>Dublin IS Cbus&#39; Carmel.  A comparison would be interesting.  </p>
<p>Easton, I think, is one of my most loathed parts of Columbus.  I&#39;ve often described it as the Disneyland of malls.  It makes me sort of ill to be there for too long.  I think a lot of it has to do with the architecture.  They&#39;ve gone a long way to make it look &quot;nice&quot; and pretty and colorful, but it all feels very temporary, like a movie set.  Maybe someone more versed in city development would be able to tell me why I feel that way. </p>
<p>I agree that the Arena district, is, by comparison, one of the most successful new additions to the city.  I hope that downtown continues to grow more vibrant, like Indy&#39;s is. </p>
<p>Besides High St, Grandview is a fun area for independent business and nice restaurants.</p>
<p>I wish that Columbus would make more effort to highlight all the little neighborhoods or districts they have, as Indy has done with its cultural districts.  As noted in the post, this needs signage and other marketing, like visitor maps and business directories.  </p>
<p>The convention center is nothing short of ugly; my father always called it The Architecht&#39;s Nightmare.  My biggest gripe is that it looks okay, interesting, whatever, from the street, but from above (as you see it from the highway) or the back it looks like airplane hangers &#8211; awful.</p>
<p>I hope that new architecture and/or developments in the city are, above all else, AUTHENTIC.  Be bold and crazy in design, but don&#39;t try to imitate &#8211; do your own thing.  Or, be concious of local history and reflect on that.  Better yet, just improve on what&#39;s already there.  I would hate to see the city turn into a homogeneous landscape of faux &quot;towne centres&quot; trying to be something they never will be.</p>
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		<title>By: T Wyatt</title>
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		<dc:creator>T Wyatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 07:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>couple of things about your column that are actually incorrect...   you may need to check your references.   Number one:  Columbus is actually the biggest city in Ohio.  Actually if you take the population of Cincy and Cleveland combined you then have near the total of Columbus proper population.  Secondly, The Ohio State University is, like you said, huge. However unlike what you said, it doesn&#039;t &quot;skew&quot; the population of Columbus in any way whatsoever.  The population of the university, around 60,000, isn&#039;t included in population numbers for the city.  Because its&#039; students are not &quot;permanently&quot; living in the city, they are NOT included in population numbers!  I actually have a few more things to say about some of your other &quot;facts&quot; but don&#039;t have time to get into them now.  I will soon!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>couple of things about your column that are actually incorrect&#8230;   you may need to check your references.   Number one:  Columbus is actually the biggest city in Ohio.  Actually if you take the population of Cincy and Cleveland combined you then have near the total of Columbus proper population.  Secondly, The Ohio State University is, like you said, huge. However unlike what you said, it doesn&#8217;t &#8220;skew&#8221; the population of Columbus in any way whatsoever.  The population of the university, around 60,000, isn&#8217;t included in population numbers for the city.  Because its&#8217; students are not &#8220;permanently&#8221; living in the city, they are NOT included in population numbers!  I actually have a few more things to say about some of your other &#8220;facts&#8221; but don&#8217;t have time to get into them now.  I will soon!</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Russell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 00:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The modern connotation for &#039;Midwest&#039; has shifted further West and become much more rural than Ohio is.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Much more rural? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Midwest is full of cities built by manufacturing. Isn&#039;t Indiana still the most industrial state?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The cultural and economic geography of the Midwest is too often bastardized. That said, debating the borders of the Midwest is fun. At least, I think it&#039;s fun.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Don&#039;t get me started on the cultural archipelagos of St. Louis, Cincinnati and Pittsburgh. Those three cities defy regional labels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The modern connotation for &#8216;Midwest&#8217; has shifted further West and become much more rural than Ohio is.&#8221;</p>
<p>Much more rural? </p>
<p>The Midwest is full of cities built by manufacturing. Isn&#8217;t Indiana still the most industrial state?</p>
<p>The cultural and economic geography of the Midwest is too often bastardized. That said, debating the borders of the Midwest is fun. At least, I think it&#8217;s fun.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me started on the cultural archipelagos of St. Louis, Cincinnati and Pittsburgh. Those three cities defy regional labels.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 15:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really think that Midwest is a little too broad. Ohio is not Eastern, even Northeast OH in Cleveland, the accent is northern Midwestern.  And actually by Northern Midwestern I mean Great Lakes which is how I see Ohio and the eastern and Northern Midwest states to be which is not the same Kansas.  Yes Ohio, Michigan and IL have farms, as does NY, PA, CA, MA, and every other state...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;JoeP</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really think that Midwest is a little too broad. Ohio is not Eastern, even Northeast OH in Cleveland, the accent is northern Midwestern.  And actually by Northern Midwestern I mean Great Lakes which is how I see Ohio and the eastern and Northern Midwest states to be which is not the same Kansas.  Yes Ohio, Michigan and IL have farms, as does NY, PA, CA, MA, and every other state&#8230;</p>
<p>JoeP</p>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 08:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kadim: the problem with rebranding Ohio as Eastern is that its connections to the BosWash corridor are terrible. Economically it ties in well to the freshwater economy centered around Chicago and Detroit. Its cities are dominated by manufacturing, not finance (which is less of a curse than you think it is - New York&#039;s finance monoculture makes city fortunes too unpredictable). It has good highway and rail links to both areas and could in principle get good HSR access to Chicago, if Amtrak weren&#039;t stuck in a 110 mph mindset.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Culturally, Ohio is not Eastern, either. It&#039;s really two countries - the Inland North, and the Midland. The Inland North consists of the areas settled by the Erie Canal - the Erie Canal towns in Upstate New York, Cleveland, Detroit, Chicago, and Milwaukee. It has a distinct accent that just doesn&#039;t penetrate the more conservative cities to its south, like Columbus and Indy; meanwhile, St. Louis, which is very liberal, has adopted this accent pattern even though it&#039;s on the Mississippi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kadim: the problem with rebranding Ohio as Eastern is that its connections to the BosWash corridor are terrible. Economically it ties in well to the freshwater economy centered around Chicago and Detroit. Its cities are dominated by manufacturing, not finance (which is less of a curse than you think it is &#8211; New York&#8217;s finance monoculture makes city fortunes too unpredictable). It has good highway and rail links to both areas and could in principle get good HSR access to Chicago, if Amtrak weren&#8217;t stuck in a 110 mph mindset.</p>
<p>Culturally, Ohio is not Eastern, either. It&#8217;s really two countries &#8211; the Inland North, and the Midland. The Inland North consists of the areas settled by the Erie Canal &#8211; the Erie Canal towns in Upstate New York, Cleveland, Detroit, Chicago, and Milwaukee. It has a distinct accent that just doesn&#8217;t penetrate the more conservative cities to its south, like Columbus and Indy; meanwhile, St. Louis, which is very liberal, has adopted this accent pattern even though it&#8217;s on the Mississippi.</p>
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		<title>By: Kadim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kadim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 07:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a bone to pick with your entry. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is a dictionary definition of Midwest which, unfortunately, includes Ohio due to historic circumstances.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The modern connotation for &quot;Midwest&quot; has shifted further West and become much more rural than Ohio is. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I like to say that Ohio is the bastard love child of New Jersey and Tennessee. It is very northeastern in parts, very southern in parts, very Appalachian in others. Columbus is the odd place where these different cultures meet. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A responsible Governor would ban the word &quot;Midwest&quot; from the state employee&#039;s handbook, put signs at the Indiana border welcoming people to the &quot;Eastern United States&quot; and doing whatever else needs to be done to do re-brand Ohio...well, honestly, anything else other than the Midwest. The word has become such a loaded pejorative.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Please...use something else. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a bone to pick with your entry. </p>
<p>There is a dictionary definition of Midwest which, unfortunately, includes Ohio due to historic circumstances.</p>
<p>The modern connotation for &#8220;Midwest&#8221; has shifted further West and become much more rural than Ohio is. </p>
<p>I like to say that Ohio is the bastard love child of New Jersey and Tennessee. It is very northeastern in parts, very southern in parts, very Appalachian in others. Columbus is the odd place where these different cultures meet. </p>
<p>A responsible Governor would ban the word &#8220;Midwest&#8221; from the state employee&#8217;s handbook, put signs at the Indiana border welcoming people to the &#8220;Eastern United States&#8221; and doing whatever else needs to be done to do re-brand Ohio&#8230;well, honestly, anything else other than the Midwest. The word has become such a loaded pejorative.</p>
<p>Please&#8230;use something else. <img src='http://www.urbanophile.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: jjg</title>
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		<dc:creator>jjg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 06:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find thundermutt&#039;s idea of a wireless network downtown that automatically loads a wayfinding page or an Indianapolis cultural district widget for mobile phones intriguing. Even providing free wireless internet just on the mall or on the circle would have major benefits for usage of those areas. (Especially the mall.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On another note, I think it would be an excellent topic for discussion of why you think that if we do high speed rail in Indiana we should do it by using truly first rate technologies, while you believe Indianapolis&#039;s foray into rail transit is ok using old technologies. (You may have addressed this previously and I may have just forgotten.) Why does top of the line apply in one case and not the other if our infrastructure is going to be one of our greatest selling points now and in the future?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find thundermutt&#8217;s idea of a wireless network downtown that automatically loads a wayfinding page or an Indianapolis cultural district widget for mobile phones intriguing. Even providing free wireless internet just on the mall or on the circle would have major benefits for usage of those areas. (Especially the mall.)</p>
<p>On another note, I think it would be an excellent topic for discussion of why you think that if we do high speed rail in Indiana we should do it by using truly first rate technologies, while you believe Indianapolis&#8217;s foray into rail transit is ok using old technologies. (You may have addressed this previously and I may have just forgotten.) Why does top of the line apply in one case and not the other if our infrastructure is going to be one of our greatest selling points now and in the future?</p>
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		<title>By: The Urbanophile</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Urbanophile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 03:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>baz_mcm, thanks for the nice note. I did not check out MCM in Columbus, but I&#039;m sure there is plenty to be found.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>baz_mcm, thanks for the nice note. I did not check out MCM in Columbus, but I&#8217;m sure there is plenty to be found.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Russell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 02:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love German Village. There&#039;s an enormous old bookstore there that&#039;s filled to the brim of hard-to-find items. Plus there&#039;s Schiller Park, which is one of the only parks I&#039;ve found in the Midwest named after a German poet. Oh, and Columbus has an MLS team despite not having a pro baseball, football or basketball team, which gives them a million cool points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love German Village. There&#8217;s an enormous old bookstore there that&#8217;s filled to the brim of hard-to-find items. Plus there&#8217;s Schiller Park, which is one of the only parks I&#8217;ve found in the Midwest named after a German poet. Oh, and Columbus has an MLS team despite not having a pro baseball, football or basketball team, which gives them a million cool points.</p>
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