Comments on: Midwest Miscellany http://www.urbanophile.com/2009/06/12/midwest-miscellany-10/ Passionate About Cities Thu, 09 Feb 2012 15:39:17 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: The Urbanophile http://www.urbanophile.com/2009/06/12/midwest-miscellany-10/comment-page-1/#comment-3926 The Urbanophile Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:02:41 +0000 http://www.arenn.com/blog/2009/06/12/midwest-miscellany-10/#comment-3926 Jeff, you always know how to depress me with your impeccably researched articles of what we did to where we are today. Jeff, you always know how to depress me with your impeccably researched articles of what we did to where we are today.

]]> By: Jefferey http://www.urbanophile.com/2009/06/12/midwest-miscellany-10/comment-page-1/#comment-3925 Jefferey Tue, 16 Jun 2009 00:54:28 +0000 http://www.arenn.com/blog/2009/06/12/midwest-miscellany-10/#comment-3925 ^<br />I'd disagree about how much is intact around downtown Louisville. I used to think that Louisville did retain most of the 19th century city, until recently. <br /><br />Louisville urban wastelands ringing downtown:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,18831.0.html" rel="nofollow">Limerick</a><br /><br /><a href="http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,18863.0.html" rel="nofollow">Smoketown</a><br /><br /><a href="http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,18877.0.html" rel="nofollow">Phoenix Hill</a><br /><br /><a href="http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,18720.0.html" rel="nofollow">eastern Russell</a> ^
I'd disagree about how much is intact around downtown Louisville. I used to think that Louisville did retain most of the 19th century city, until recently.

Louisville urban wastelands ringing downtown:

Limerick

Smoketown

Phoenix Hill

eastern Russell

]]> By: The Urbanophile http://www.urbanophile.com/2009/06/12/midwest-miscellany-10/comment-page-1/#comment-3917 The Urbanophile Mon, 15 Jun 2009 01:40:25 +0000 http://www.arenn.com/blog/2009/06/12/midwest-miscellany-10/#comment-3917 harrington, Butchertown won't be intact for long if the Ohio River Bridges projects is constructed.<br /><br />You are right. Louisville had a lot of core area demolitions, but far smaller scale than most cities. To the south and east there are plenty of intact neighborhoods that are still reasonably healthy, all more or less connected to downtown. The west end has long suffered from racial segregation and civic neglect. I think there's a lot of redevelopment potential there. The challenge is to make sure that redevelopment doesn't simply displace the existing residents but also benefits them. harrington, Butchertown won't be intact for long if the Ohio River Bridges projects is constructed.

You are right. Louisville had a lot of core area demolitions, but far smaller scale than most cities. To the south and east there are plenty of intact neighborhoods that are still reasonably healthy, all more or less connected to downtown. The west end has long suffered from racial segregation and civic neglect. I think there's a lot of redevelopment potential there. The challenge is to make sure that redevelopment doesn't simply displace the existing residents but also benefits them.

]]> By: hharrington http://www.urbanophile.com/2009/06/12/midwest-miscellany-10/comment-page-1/#comment-3916 hharrington Mon, 15 Jun 2009 01:36:08 +0000 http://www.arenn.com/blog/2009/06/12/midwest-miscellany-10/#comment-3916 Louisville did demolish some of it's urban neighborhoods via urban renewal, but nowhere near to the extent that St. Louis has or many other cities. I live in one of those urban neighborhoods (Russell, just west of downtown) that has been the focus of urban renewal. They demolished a lot, but left a lot as well. Smoketown, Phoenix Hill, Old Louisville, Schnitzelberg, GermanTown, Portland, and Butchertown although altered are still pretty intact. <br /><br />I also agree that if Louisville and Lexington were to work together more they could accomplish great things. I'm just not sure the will is there. Louisville did demolish some of it's urban neighborhoods via urban renewal, but nowhere near to the extent that St. Louis has or many other cities. I live in one of those urban neighborhoods (Russell, just west of downtown) that has been the focus of urban renewal. They demolished a lot, but left a lot as well. Smoketown, Phoenix Hill, Old Louisville, Schnitzelberg, GermanTown, Portland, and Butchertown although altered are still pretty intact.

I also agree that if Louisville and Lexington were to work together more they could accomplish great things. I'm just not sure the will is there.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.urbanophile.com/2009/06/12/midwest-miscellany-10/comment-page-1/#comment-3915 Anonymous Sun, 14 Jun 2009 22:57:16 +0000 http://www.arenn.com/blog/2009/06/12/midwest-miscellany-10/#comment-3915 Chicago's far south side- <br /><br />The neighborhoods east of the Calumet are holding steady, they're not upper class but by no means are in a steep decline, there's been some residential construction in the last decade or so. They're just not an impressive gateway by any means.<br /><br />Beverly, old section of Pullman & parts of Morgan Park are doing okay too. <br /><br />But the "wild hundreds" are wild. Chicago's far south side-

The neighborhoods east of the Calumet are holding steady, they're not upper class but by no means are in a steep decline, there's been some residential construction in the last decade or so. They're just not an impressive gateway by any means.

Beverly, old section of Pullman & parts of Morgan Park are doing okay too.

But the "wild hundreds" are wild.

]]> By: David http://www.urbanophile.com/2009/06/12/midwest-miscellany-10/comment-page-1/#comment-3912 David Sun, 14 Jun 2009 02:30:35 +0000 http://www.arenn.com/blog/2009/06/12/midwest-miscellany-10/#comment-3912 Jefferey,<br /><br />Thanks for the Louisville-Lexington link.<br /><br />I do believe that Lou-Lex could accomplish very much together. Actually accomplish more than with ANY other linkage. Jefferey,

Thanks for the Louisville-Lexington link.

I do believe that Lou-Lex could accomplish very much together. Actually accomplish more than with ANY other linkage.

]]> By: sukwoo http://www.urbanophile.com/2009/06/12/midwest-miscellany-10/comment-page-1/#comment-3911 sukwoo Sun, 14 Jun 2009 01:18:34 +0000 http://www.arenn.com/blog/2009/06/12/midwest-miscellany-10/#comment-3911 If anything, the far southside neighborhoods of Chicago are in continued economic decline, unlike the near southside neighborhoods (Bronzeville, Hyde Park, etc.) If anything, the far southside neighborhoods of Chicago are in continued economic decline, unlike the near southside neighborhoods (Bronzeville, Hyde Park, etc.)

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.urbanophile.com/2009/06/12/midwest-miscellany-10/comment-page-1/#comment-3910 Anonymous Sun, 14 Jun 2009 00:45:22 +0000 http://www.arenn.com/blog/2009/06/12/midwest-miscellany-10/#comment-3910 Calling HP a ghetto 30 years ago is an overstatement. <br /><br />While Bronzeville, Bridgeport, South Shore & others are seeing development, the areas of Chicago adjacent to Indiana on the far south side are not really impressive (there's a little forest, modest well kept houses and very large power lines) Calling HP a ghetto 30 years ago is an overstatement.

While Bronzeville, Bridgeport, South Shore & others are seeing development, the areas of Chicago adjacent to Indiana on the far south side are not really impressive (there's a little forest, modest well kept houses and very large power lines)

]]> By: Jefferey http://www.urbanophile.com/2009/06/12/midwest-miscellany-10/comment-page-1/#comment-3909 Jefferey Sat, 13 Jun 2009 23:59:34 +0000 http://www.arenn.com/blog/2009/06/12/midwest-miscellany-10/#comment-3909 That was a good article on the Louisville/Lexington relationship. I always thought it was fortunate that Kentucky (not condsidered an urban place) has two great (or potentially great) cities. Lex & Lou do sort of compliment each other. <br /><br />I blogged on <a href="http://daytonology.blogspot.com/2007_10_01_archive.html" rel="nofollow">urban triage for Dayton</a> a while back. but it's sort of tragic that the parts of this city that make it most distinctive, the 19th century neighborhoods, are the ones that will be lost. Guess that can't be helped.<br /><br /><i>I'm happy that Louisville hasn't completely demolished or just let rot it's urban neighborhoods.</i><br /><br />Actually, Louisville did exactly that via urban renewal. The oldest parts of the city are gone, baby, gone (with a few exceptions). That was a good article on the Louisville/Lexington relationship. I always thought it was fortunate that Kentucky (not condsidered an urban place) has two great (or potentially great) cities. Lex & Lou do sort of compliment each other.

I blogged on urban triage for Dayton a while back. but it's sort of tragic that the parts of this city that make it most distinctive, the 19th century neighborhoods, are the ones that will be lost. Guess that can't be helped.

I'm happy that Louisville hasn't completely demolished or just let rot it's urban neighborhoods.

Actually, Louisville did exactly that via urban renewal. The oldest parts of the city are gone, baby, gone (with a few exceptions).

]]> By: Alon Levy http://www.urbanophile.com/2009/06/12/midwest-miscellany-10/comment-page-1/#comment-3908 Alon Levy Sat, 13 Jun 2009 23:14:46 +0000 http://www.arenn.com/blog/2009/06/12/midwest-miscellany-10/#comment-3908 Harlem has a lot of abandoned housing, too... and the wealthiest parts of North Jersey are those facing Harlem and the Bronx, not Midtown. The parts that face Midtown or even the Upper West Side are in Hudson County, which is very much like Brooklyn or Queens in character. Harlem has a lot of abandoned housing, too… and the wealthiest parts of North Jersey are those facing Harlem and the Bronx, not Midtown. The parts that face Midtown or even the Upper West Side are in Hudson County, which is very much like Brooklyn or Queens in character.

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