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	<description>Passionate About Cities</description>
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		<title>By: The Urbanophile</title>
		<link>http://www.urbanophile.com/2009/11/05/report-from-the-railvolution/comment-page-1/#comment-5647</link>
		<dc:creator>The Urbanophile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 22:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm.  I have generally linked to an enlarged version of the photo for people who wanted more detail. Never had a complaint before. Maybe I should take a poll on this.

In the meantime, my flickr account is here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/urbanophile/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm.  I have generally linked to an enlarged version of the photo for people who wanted more detail. Never had a complaint before. Maybe I should take a poll on this.</p>
<p>In the meantime, my flickr account is here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/urbanophile/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/urbanophile/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike K</title>
		<link>http://www.urbanophile.com/2009/11/05/report-from-the-railvolution/comment-page-1/#comment-5622</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 21:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>North Michigan avenue has been pretty successful, although not a pedestrian mall. 

One example of failure that I don&#039;t understand is San Francisco where Ghiradelli Square and The Cannery were highly successful when I was a college student in the late 50s until the late 70s, then went into decline. Some of it may have been a decline in San Francisco as a tourist destination as they were largely tourist sites. There was a loss of interest in tourism on the part of the city around that time and there was even talk of scrapping the cable cars.

I still think the failure of public safety in the 70s led to the decline of many central cities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>North Michigan avenue has been pretty successful, although not a pedestrian mall. </p>
<p>One example of failure that I don&#8217;t understand is San Francisco where Ghiradelli Square and The Cannery were highly successful when I was a college student in the late 50s until the late 70s, then went into decline. Some of it may have been a decline in San Francisco as a tourist destination as they were largely tourist sites. There was a loss of interest in tourism on the part of the city around that time and there was even talk of scrapping the cable cars.</p>
<p>I still think the failure of public safety in the 70s led to the decline of many central cities.</p>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
		<link>http://www.urbanophile.com/2009/11/05/report-from-the-railvolution/comment-page-1/#comment-5621</link>
		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 20:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The flickr comment is that your photos link to the jpeg files, whereas it&#039;s more customary and courteous to link to the album the files are part of, so that visitors can see the photographer&#039;s other pictures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The flickr comment is that your photos link to the jpeg files, whereas it&#8217;s more customary and courteous to link to the album the files are part of, so that visitors can see the photographer&#8217;s other pictures.</p>
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		<title>By: The Urbanophile</title>
		<link>http://www.urbanophile.com/2009/11/05/report-from-the-railvolution/comment-page-1/#comment-5619</link>
		<dc:creator>The Urbanophile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, thanks for the comments.

I remember State St. as a busway.  Part of the problem is that it was a busyway, so tons of buses were constantly belching fumes. Also, I think perhaps it was less about spontaneous popping in to shop than the way it impeded navigability of the grid. And the design was tired. And of course the city has pumped a large amount of money into the State St. area to revitalize it other than by spending $25 million to redo the street.  And given the general downtown resurgence, perhaps State St. would have come back anyway. We don&#039;t know. I&#039;m glad it is open to cars, however.

Can you clarify on the flickr comment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, thanks for the comments.</p>
<p>I remember State St. as a busway.  Part of the problem is that it was a busyway, so tons of buses were constantly belching fumes. Also, I think perhaps it was less about spontaneous popping in to shop than the way it impeded navigability of the grid. And the design was tired. And of course the city has pumped a large amount of money into the State St. area to revitalize it other than by spending $25 million to redo the street.  And given the general downtown resurgence, perhaps State St. would have come back anyway. We don&#8217;t know. I&#8217;m glad it is open to cars, however.</p>
<p>Can you clarify on the flickr comment?</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Vance</title>
		<link>http://www.urbanophile.com/2009/11/05/report-from-the-railvolution/comment-page-1/#comment-5617</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Vance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 08:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boston City Hall looks like the FBI headquarters in D.C.

I would like to have been around when State Street was accessible only to transit buses. I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve heard the full story. I was told that the lack of &quot;drive bys&quot; of private motorists hurt sales because people couldn&#039;t look from their cars that they wanted to park somewhere and walk over to State Street and shop. State Street now could use some improvement in the bike friendliness department by fixing the potholes in front of the library, reducing the curb height northbound between Madison and Monroe, putting up signage to ask everyone to share the road (although signs on a &quot;fancy&quot; street like the shopping segments of State wouldn&#039;t mesh), and putting a bike lane or shared lane markings on the pavement southbound between Washington and Madison (the double right turn lane here can be a little confusing and the southbound side is so wide and motorists like to make multiple lane changes in one manuever here).

How come you link to the photo&#039;s file and not it&#039;s Flickr page?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boston City Hall looks like the FBI headquarters in D.C.</p>
<p>I would like to have been around when State Street was accessible only to transit buses. I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve heard the full story. I was told that the lack of &#8220;drive bys&#8221; of private motorists hurt sales because people couldn&#8217;t look from their cars that they wanted to park somewhere and walk over to State Street and shop. State Street now could use some improvement in the bike friendliness department by fixing the potholes in front of the library, reducing the curb height northbound between Madison and Monroe, putting up signage to ask everyone to share the road (although signs on a &#8220;fancy&#8221; street like the shopping segments of State wouldn&#8217;t mesh), and putting a bike lane or shared lane markings on the pavement southbound between Washington and Madison (the double right turn lane here can be a little confusing and the southbound side is so wide and motorists like to make multiple lane changes in one manuever here).</p>
<p>How come you link to the photo&#8217;s file and not it&#8217;s Flickr page?</p>
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		<title>By: The Urbanophile</title>
		<link>http://www.urbanophile.com/2009/11/05/report-from-the-railvolution/comment-page-1/#comment-5608</link>
		<dc:creator>The Urbanophile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike gets it right.  This is tricky.  Lots of places like Louisville and Chicago experimented with pedestrianization and it failed. Pedestrianization only works when you have a very high density of, well, pedestrians, usually along a narrow but dense retail street like this one (or say Florida in Buenos Aires, which is as packed as streets in Tokyo). Otherwise you often kill the space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike gets it right.  This is tricky.  Lots of places like Louisville and Chicago experimented with pedestrianization and it failed. Pedestrianization only works when you have a very high density of, well, pedestrians, usually along a narrow but dense retail street like this one (or say Florida in Buenos Aires, which is as packed as streets in Tokyo). Otherwise you often kill the space.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike K</title>
		<link>http://www.urbanophile.com/2009/11/05/report-from-the-railvolution/comment-page-1/#comment-5606</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Successful open space is tricky. When I was a medical student at the Mass General (1965), the area around Faneuil Hall was a slum. The Haymarket area looked like 1945 Berlin. The old Bullfinch market was still the vegetable market and the warehouses were just that, except for Durgin Park where we used to go for a cheap dinner. I came back 15 years later and it was transformed. Too many projects like that end up as money sewers and empty spaces. Chicago keeps trying that but it doesn&#039;t seem to be very successful to me from visits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Successful open space is tricky. When I was a medical student at the Mass General (1965), the area around Faneuil Hall was a slum. The Haymarket area looked like 1945 Berlin. The old Bullfinch market was still the vegetable market and the warehouses were just that, except for Durgin Park where we used to go for a cheap dinner. I came back 15 years later and it was transformed. Too many projects like that end up as money sewers and empty spaces. Chicago keeps trying that but it doesn&#8217;t seem to be very successful to me from visits.</p>
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		<title>By: cdc guy</title>
		<link>http://www.urbanophile.com/2009/11/05/report-from-the-railvolution/comment-page-1/#comment-5603</link>
		<dc:creator>cdc guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aaron wrote &quot;In the meantime, just ponder this: why are almost all influential blogs and web sites in this space run by more or less independent people instead of agencies or organizations?&quot;

Credibility and critical thought.

Corporate blogs often demonstrate neither, preferring to amplify the company line or merely solicit feedback.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaron wrote &#8220;In the meantime, just ponder this: why are almost all influential blogs and web sites in this space run by more or less independent people instead of agencies or organizations?&#8221;</p>
<p>Credibility and critical thought.</p>
<p>Corporate blogs often demonstrate neither, preferring to amplify the company line or merely solicit feedback.</p>
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		<title>By: cdc guy</title>
		<link>http://www.urbanophile.com/2009/11/05/report-from-the-railvolution/comment-page-1/#comment-5602</link>
		<dc:creator>cdc guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes pedestrian-only spaces look more like the forlorn plaza outside Boston City Hall, Curt.  

The Circle in Indianapolis is an example of &quot;shared space&quot;, even if it does have curbs and bollards.  I like dodging people, cars, and horse-drawn carriages (depending on my mode of transit through the Circle).  

If pedestrian or bike advocacy turns into anti-car rhetoric, it won&#039;t succeed.  If it turns into shared-space promotion, so that MORE place become like the Circle, then it succeeds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes pedestrian-only spaces look more like the forlorn plaza outside Boston City Hall, Curt.  </p>
<p>The Circle in Indianapolis is an example of &#8220;shared space&#8221;, even if it does have curbs and bollards.  I like dodging people, cars, and horse-drawn carriages (depending on my mode of transit through the Circle).  </p>
<p>If pedestrian or bike advocacy turns into anti-car rhetoric, it won&#8217;t succeed.  If it turns into shared-space promotion, so that MORE place become like the Circle, then it succeeds.</p>
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		<title>By: Curt</title>
		<link>http://www.urbanophile.com/2009/11/05/report-from-the-railvolution/comment-page-1/#comment-5600</link>
		<dc:creator>Curt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That pedestrian street is fantastic!! I dont know the pros and cons of it, but it would be awesome to see something like that around the monument in downtown Indy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That pedestrian street is fantastic!! I dont know the pros and cons of it, but it would be awesome to see something like that around the monument in downtown Indy</p>
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