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	<title>Comments on: Pro Sports As Naming Rights Deal</title>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.urbanophile.com/2009/11/08/pro-sports-as-naming-rights-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-5904</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No doubt that sports teams can help with the identity of a city.  It can be a double edged sword however.  It is acknowledged by most in Jacksonville that the Jaguars will be headed to a new locale in the near future; Columbus struggles to support the Blue Jackets in the NHL.  In MLB, it is apparent that small market teams are likely to never make it to the World Series.

Louisville is an example of a city that may not have major league sports (or the expenses associated with that) but for far less money they have an identity because of the Ky Derby followed by UL Basketball followed by Breeders Cup and PGA events followed by UL Football that keeps it in the &#039;headlines&#039; pretty regularly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No doubt that sports teams can help with the identity of a city.  It can be a double edged sword however.  It is acknowledged by most in Jacksonville that the Jaguars will be headed to a new locale in the near future; Columbus struggles to support the Blue Jackets in the NHL.  In MLB, it is apparent that small market teams are likely to never make it to the World Series.</p>
<p>Louisville is an example of a city that may not have major league sports (or the expenses associated with that) but for far less money they have an identity because of the Ky Derby followed by UL Basketball followed by Breeders Cup and PGA events followed by UL Football that keeps it in the &#8216;headlines&#8217; pretty regularly.</p>
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		<title>By: JG</title>
		<link>http://www.urbanophile.com/2009/11/08/pro-sports-as-naming-rights-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-5821</link>
		<dc:creator>JG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 02:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It appears from this debate, that some cities were able to make big strides initially after acquiring a professional sports team.  After time it may prove to be either a &quot;drag&quot; or just a non-factor on civic success.

Plently of examples have been cited of cities preforming poorly who have pro sports teams.  Still that proves no cause and effect - or rather disproves a cause and effect.  Cities with under appreciated product can increase exposure and attract business and residents partially via the sports team.  The effort would have to be organized and planned, not just a &quot;build it and they will come approach&quot; - a sure fire no ROI.  Other cities may forgo professional sports and seak to accomplish the same goals via other avenues; universities, museums, outdoor recreation, etc.  Pro sports still seams like the more expensive approach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It appears from this debate, that some cities were able to make big strides initially after acquiring a professional sports team.  After time it may prove to be either a &#8220;drag&#8221; or just a non-factor on civic success.</p>
<p>Plently of examples have been cited of cities preforming poorly who have pro sports teams.  Still that proves no cause and effect &#8211; or rather disproves a cause and effect.  Cities with under appreciated product can increase exposure and attract business and residents partially via the sports team.  The effort would have to be organized and planned, not just a &#8220;build it and they will come approach&#8221; &#8211; a sure fire no ROI.  Other cities may forgo professional sports and seak to accomplish the same goals via other avenues; universities, museums, outdoor recreation, etc.  Pro sports still seams like the more expensive approach.</p>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
		<link>http://www.urbanophile.com/2009/11/08/pro-sports-as-naming-rights-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-5810</link>
		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New Orleans, Buffalo, and Memphis are all perceived as dumps, or has-been cities. Salt Lake City sometime is, too, and it&#039;s 50% larger than OKC.

And I&#039;m pretty sure that if you ask every company that&#039;s moved its headquarters to Manchester or Liverpool why it&#039;s done so, none of those companies will say it was because of the local soccer clubs. The Manchester United and Liverpool FC brands are powerful globally, but they&#039;ve done nothing to improve the Manchester and Liverpool brands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New Orleans, Buffalo, and Memphis are all perceived as dumps, or has-been cities. Salt Lake City sometime is, too, and it&#8217;s 50% larger than OKC.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m pretty sure that if you ask every company that&#8217;s moved its headquarters to Manchester or Liverpool why it&#8217;s done so, none of those companies will say it was because of the local soccer clubs. The Manchester United and Liverpool FC brands are powerful globally, but they&#8217;ve done nothing to improve the Manchester and Liverpool brands.</p>
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		<title>By: cdc guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>cdc guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, I did not suggest that anyone moves himself or herself because of sports team allegiances.  Instead, I suggested that the &quot;major league&quot; label could be an influence in corporate location decisions...in support of Aaron&#039;s contention that it is a kind of &quot;branding&quot; for the city.  Everyone seems to want to argue from the point of view of individual allegiances and not address the central point.

Anon 7:48, OKC is in the same part of the &quot;league tables&quot; as Jacksonville, Memphis, Buffalo, New Orleans, Salt Lake...which is to say, at the bottom of &quot;major leagues&quot; but still in the top 50 US Metros.  Its MSA is 1.2 million.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, I did not suggest that anyone moves himself or herself because of sports team allegiances.  Instead, I suggested that the &#8220;major league&#8221; label could be an influence in corporate location decisions&#8230;in support of Aaron&#8217;s contention that it is a kind of &#8220;branding&#8221; for the city.  Everyone seems to want to argue from the point of view of individual allegiances and not address the central point.</p>
<p>Anon 7:48, OKC is in the same part of the &#8220;league tables&#8221; as Jacksonville, Memphis, Buffalo, New Orleans, Salt Lake&#8230;which is to say, at the bottom of &#8220;major leagues&#8221; but still in the top 50 US Metros.  Its MSA is 1.2 million.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.urbanophile.com/2009/11/08/pro-sports-as-naming-rights-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-5792</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 01:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Jim Morris.  I think people grow up with sports allegiances and are unlikely move to some other city for a sports team.  For example, I am an Indians fan originally from Columbus.  I moved to Chicago for grad school, not for the Cubs, Sox, or any other team.  I intend to remain an Indians fan regardless of how long I live here or how long the Indians suck.  Wrigleyville is fun and all, but both teams could leave town and I really wouldn&#039;t care much, certainly not enough to move to a different &quot;major league&quot; city.  I think the teams should be self-supporting.  Don&#039;t let them blackmail you.  If they really want to move, then let them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Jim Morris.  I think people grow up with sports allegiances and are unlikely move to some other city for a sports team.  For example, I am an Indians fan originally from Columbus.  I moved to Chicago for grad school, not for the Cubs, Sox, or any other team.  I intend to remain an Indians fan regardless of how long I live here or how long the Indians suck.  Wrigleyville is fun and all, but both teams could leave town and I really wouldn&#8217;t care much, certainly not enough to move to a different &#8220;major league&#8221; city.  I think the teams should be self-supporting.  Don&#8217;t let them blackmail you.  If they really want to move, then let them.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 19:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your article reminded me of this headline:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theonion.com/content/news/pepsi_to_cease_advertising&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Pepsi to Cease Advertising&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your article reminded me of this headline:<br />
<a href="http://www.theonion.com/content/news/pepsi_to_cease_advertising" rel="nofollow">Pepsi to Cease Advertising</a></p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 16:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m anon 7:48. I thought OKC&#039;s population was half that, and the half dozen people I&#039;ve met from there called the place a dump. 

Trying to impress someone, like me, with the fact that your city has an NBA team, _just like Oklahoma City_ would strike me as pathetic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m anon 7:48. I thought OKC&#8217;s population was half that, and the half dozen people I&#8217;ve met from there called the place a dump. </p>
<p>Trying to impress someone, like me, with the fact that your city has an NBA team, _just like Oklahoma City_ would strike me as pathetic.</p>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
		<link>http://www.urbanophile.com/2009/11/08/pro-sports-as-naming-rights-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-5748</link>
		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do teams have to represent large cities? The English Premier League has no trouble accommodating teams from small towns, if they&#039;re good enough to qualify. One such team, Blackburn Rovers, managed to become league champion once.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do teams have to represent large cities? The English Premier League has no trouble accommodating teams from small towns, if they&#8217;re good enough to qualify. One such team, Blackburn Rovers, managed to become league champion once.</p>
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		<title>By: cdc guy</title>
		<link>http://www.urbanophile.com/2009/11/08/pro-sports-as-naming-rights-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-5744</link>
		<dc:creator>cdc guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OKC and Columbus might represent a special case in pro sports:  both are metros well over a million people, and both already have winning quasi-professional football teams with long pedigrees.  (OU in Norman and OSU in Columbus.)  So is it really a dilution of the &quot;major league&quot; brand for the NBA to go to the OKC metro to complement its existing pro football team?

And maybe that special case even explains the absence of the NFL from LA, since they have USC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OKC and Columbus might represent a special case in pro sports:  both are metros well over a million people, and both already have winning quasi-professional football teams with long pedigrees.  (OU in Norman and OSU in Columbus.)  So is it really a dilution of the &#8220;major league&#8221; brand for the NBA to go to the OKC metro to complement its existing pro football team?</p>
<p>And maybe that special case even explains the absence of the NFL from LA, since they have USC.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 13:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s also the dilution of the major league brand when places like Oklahoma City jump in the mix.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s also the dilution of the major league brand when places like Oklahoma City jump in the mix.</p>
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