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		<title>By: The Urbanophile</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Urbanophile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for all the great comments.

John Howard, I reached out to you directly about the font issue. Email me if you don&#039;t get my note.

Kuhn&#039;s &quot;Structure of Scientific Revolutions&quot; is a must read. I think human beings are frankly hardwired to see the world through a &quot;paradigm&quot;.  Even Kant argued as much with his &quot;a priori&quot; knowledge. Perhaps the knowledge itself is somewhat socially constructed, but we seem to have a &quot;world view&quot; that is incredibly resistant to change and through which we process everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all the great comments.</p>
<p>John Howard, I reached out to you directly about the font issue. Email me if you don&#8217;t get my note.</p>
<p>Kuhn&#8217;s &#8220;Structure of Scientific Revolutions&#8221; is a must read. I think human beings are frankly hardwired to see the world through a &#8220;paradigm&#8221;.  Even Kant argued as much with his &#8220;a priori&#8221; knowledge. Perhaps the knowledge itself is somewhat socially constructed, but we seem to have a &#8220;world view&#8221; that is incredibly resistant to change and through which we process everything.</p>
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		<title>By: Marshall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 18:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been reading Thomas Kuhn &quot;Structure of Scientific Revolutions&quot;, which talks about how new paradigms emerge from a period of dithering, and how it&#039;s very difficult for practitioners of the old paradigm to incorporate the insights of the new, despite the accumulation of &quot;anomalies&quot;. Seems this pattern is quite generic in the evolution of human culture: language, religion, urbanification.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been reading Thomas Kuhn &#8220;Structure of Scientific Revolutions&#8221;, which talks about how new paradigms emerge from a period of dithering, and how it&#8217;s very difficult for practitioners of the old paradigm to incorporate the insights of the new, despite the accumulation of &#8220;anomalies&#8221;. Seems this pattern is quite generic in the evolution of human culture: language, religion, urbanification.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bloggers we might want to invite to Christmas party

Greg Blankenship from the Illinois Review.  217-306-5226
Pete Speer from Illinois Review. peterdee99@hotmail.com He wrote a long challenge to IPI about high Speed rail.
Chris Robling from Illinois Review. 
Carl Oberg is a Policy Associate for Americans for prosperity. http://americansforprosperity.com/111609-obama-administration-fighting-increase-your-debt. His contact info is not listed on AFP’s site, but I’m sure he can be contacted through channels.

The phenomenon you observe, that older cities seem to decline in productivity as the original industries decline, is encouraged by land regulation and the under taxation of land in urban centers.  Landowners are have a positive incentive to withhold land from production, preventing new industries from forming and holding back urban progress. Cities with high taxes on land and low taxes on production and consumption experience a much higher rate of urban renewal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bloggers we might want to invite to Christmas party</p>
<p>Greg Blankenship from the Illinois Review.  217-306-5226<br />
Pete Speer from Illinois Review. <a href="mailto:peterdee99@hotmail.com">peterdee99@hotmail.com</a> He wrote a long challenge to IPI about high Speed rail.<br />
Chris Robling from Illinois Review.<br />
Carl Oberg is a Policy Associate for Americans for prosperity. <a href="http://americansforprosperity.com/111609-obama-administration-fighting-increase-your-debt" rel="nofollow">http://americansforprosperity.com/111609-obama-administration-fighting-increase-your-debt</a>. His contact info is not listed on AFP’s site, but I’m sure he can be contacted through channels.</p>
<p>The phenomenon you observe, that older cities seem to decline in productivity as the original industries decline, is encouraged by land regulation and the under taxation of land in urban centers.  Landowners are have a positive incentive to withhold land from production, preventing new industries from forming and holding back urban progress. Cities with high taxes on land and low taxes on production and consumption experience a much higher rate of urban renewal.</p>
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		<title>By: John Howard</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Howard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While the new site design is very nice, the font is horrible.  The &#039;Metabook&#039; and &#039;Metabold&#039; fonts are apparently simulated under Firefox on Windows (having seen your complaint on the old blog about HTML5 failings in IE, I opened this in FF).  

The pages render extremely-ragged text that is quite difficult to read.  IE, however, is clean and contrasty.  It&#039;s very readable with IE.

The &#039;Meta*&#039; fonts are a very poor choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While the new site design is very nice, the font is horrible.  The &#8216;Metabook&#8217; and &#8216;Metabold&#8217; fonts are apparently simulated under Firefox on Windows (having seen your complaint on the old blog about HTML5 failings in IE, I opened this in FF).  </p>
<p>The pages render extremely-ragged text that is quite difficult to read.  IE, however, is clean and contrasty.  It&#8217;s very readable with IE.</p>
<p>The &#8216;Meta*&#8217; fonts are a very poor choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Wad</title>
		<link>http://www.urbanophile.com/2009/11/19/ryan-avent-disruptive-technologies/comment-page-1/#comment-5898</link>
		<dc:creator>Wad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Cities that face the loss of one of their main industries tend to suffer through a long period of decline before recovering, if in fact they manage to recover at all. Why is this?&lt;/i&gt;

It&#039;s quite an old phenomena. It&#039;s inertia.

If cities continue to specialize in a key industry that has made them wealthy, it tends to focus on that emphasis until its momentum can no longer be sustained.

Detroit and Pittsburgh are the industrial equivalents of a supply region. So many jobs and business transactions depended on cars and steel that it was too late to shift into another economic sector by the time those industries had diminished.

The people working in those jobs had not gained appreciable skills they could port to create some other value function and business transactions had shifted elsewhere.

The world is also littered with boomtowns that arose to extract resources (mining towns, logging camps, old fishing villages, etc.) then deactivated when the resources had been exhausted.

Even telling was where the modern cities of their time developed. Very few feudal agricultural lands evolved to important cities. The earliest cities sprouted near bodies of water.

Feudal lords were loath to adopt to capitalism, as they saw their land and serfdom as the plentiful bounty that nourished their well-being and influence. Instead, these early cities were able to produce wealth through trade. Soon, one hectare of city land produced exponentially more wealth than a hectare of cropland.

In turn, it enabled a new category in the social order. The term used to be &quot;middle class,&quot; but today it has been simplified to mean an income cohort. The original middle class actually referred to a social function. The middle classes toiled, but they were not serfs. The middle classes possessed some property, but they were not nobility. They managed to create a social hierarchy and set up learning methods, but they were neither monarchy nor clergy. They were somewhere in between these other classes.

This is the precedent to the statement, &lt;i&gt;&quot;If you have a daring new idea, you don’t take it to someone who’s living fat off something which has worked for decades. You take it to someone who is hungry.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

That is how cities came to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Cities that face the loss of one of their main industries tend to suffer through a long period of decline before recovering, if in fact they manage to recover at all. Why is this?</i></p>
<p>It&#8217;s quite an old phenomena. It&#8217;s inertia.</p>
<p>If cities continue to specialize in a key industry that has made them wealthy, it tends to focus on that emphasis until its momentum can no longer be sustained.</p>
<p>Detroit and Pittsburgh are the industrial equivalents of a supply region. So many jobs and business transactions depended on cars and steel that it was too late to shift into another economic sector by the time those industries had diminished.</p>
<p>The people working in those jobs had not gained appreciable skills they could port to create some other value function and business transactions had shifted elsewhere.</p>
<p>The world is also littered with boomtowns that arose to extract resources (mining towns, logging camps, old fishing villages, etc.) then deactivated when the resources had been exhausted.</p>
<p>Even telling was where the modern cities of their time developed. Very few feudal agricultural lands evolved to important cities. The earliest cities sprouted near bodies of water.</p>
<p>Feudal lords were loath to adopt to capitalism, as they saw their land and serfdom as the plentiful bounty that nourished their well-being and influence. Instead, these early cities were able to produce wealth through trade. Soon, one hectare of city land produced exponentially more wealth than a hectare of cropland.</p>
<p>In turn, it enabled a new category in the social order. The term used to be &#8220;middle class,&#8221; but today it has been simplified to mean an income cohort. The original middle class actually referred to a social function. The middle classes toiled, but they were not serfs. The middle classes possessed some property, but they were not nobility. They managed to create a social hierarchy and set up learning methods, but they were neither monarchy nor clergy. They were somewhere in between these other classes.</p>
<p>This is the precedent to the statement, <i>&#8220;If you have a daring new idea, you don’t take it to someone who’s living fat off something which has worked for decades. You take it to someone who is hungry.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>That is how cities came to be.</p>
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		<title>By: DaveOf Richmond</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaveOf Richmond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 03:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post reminded me of a passage I read a few years ago in a book called &quot;The Rise of the Gunbelt&quot;, which I just dug out and found again, where the authors talk about Northwestern University&#039;s Albert Rubenstein&#039;s study of Chicago&#039;s electronics industry in the early Sixties, and why it wasn&#039;t getting more Federal money for the burgeoning aerospace and defense electronics programs of that time. 

He concluded that &quot;business was excellent&quot; for existing electronic firms in their old areas of expertise, and they weren&#039;t &quot;geared&quot; for all the gov&#039;t red tape, plus Chicago bankers were content with their current clients and were &quot;indifferent, if not hostile, to small research-based enterprises&quot;.

Sounds mighty similar to what is being described in your (Ryan&#039;s) post, and Rubenstein&#039;s study was in 1962, so at least some people have recognized this dynamic for decades.  Does anyone ever learn from it?  

At this point perhaps it&#039;s just as well for Chicago to have largely missed out on the big defense aerospace/electronics biz, as the city is doing rather well now, and those industries have since picked up and moved from some of the places in which they centered back in that era (Los Angeles for instance).  

Anyway, I like your blog and also many of your reader&#039;s comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post reminded me of a passage I read a few years ago in a book called &#8220;The Rise of the Gunbelt&#8221;, which I just dug out and found again, where the authors talk about Northwestern University&#8217;s Albert Rubenstein&#8217;s study of Chicago&#8217;s electronics industry in the early Sixties, and why it wasn&#8217;t getting more Federal money for the burgeoning aerospace and defense electronics programs of that time. </p>
<p>He concluded that &#8220;business was excellent&#8221; for existing electronic firms in their old areas of expertise, and they weren&#8217;t &#8220;geared&#8221; for all the gov&#8217;t red tape, plus Chicago bankers were content with their current clients and were &#8220;indifferent, if not hostile, to small research-based enterprises&#8221;.</p>
<p>Sounds mighty similar to what is being described in your (Ryan&#8217;s) post, and Rubenstein&#8217;s study was in 1962, so at least some people have recognized this dynamic for decades.  Does anyone ever learn from it?  </p>
<p>At this point perhaps it&#8217;s just as well for Chicago to have largely missed out on the big defense aerospace/electronics biz, as the city is doing rather well now, and those industries have since picked up and moved from some of the places in which they centered back in that era (Los Angeles for instance).  </p>
<p>Anyway, I like your blog and also many of your reader&#8217;s comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Ironwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ironwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 00:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed. We are still working with relatively short cycles here in America with our cities.  50 years is a blink when one thinks of European or Asian cities.  It&#039;s entirely possible that cities will need to go through fallow cycles, just like neighborhoods, only to be rediscovered and re-invested in at a later date.  (An analogy would be the re-use of obsolescent multi-story loft factories which have enjoyed a massive re-purposing).  The analogy is not perfect, but it doesn&#039;t need to be.  The point is that a generation or two of decline in some cities -- and rapid growth in others -- is just not enough time to write any urban obits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed. We are still working with relatively short cycles here in America with our cities.  50 years is a blink when one thinks of European or Asian cities.  It&#8217;s entirely possible that cities will need to go through fallow cycles, just like neighborhoods, only to be rediscovered and re-invested in at a later date.  (An analogy would be the re-use of obsolescent multi-story loft factories which have enjoyed a massive re-purposing).  The analogy is not perfect, but it doesn&#8217;t need to be.  The point is that a generation or two of decline in some cities &#8212; and rapid growth in others &#8212; is just not enough time to write any urban obits.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed that the tables can turn rapidly. As the article says, the Research Triangle innovated in the 1950s because it lacked better options, but now, the cities of the industrial heartland that have lost 30-50% of their population and much of their industrial raison d&#039;etre since WWII all realize they&#039;re in a life-and-death struggle. They will innovate, too, because they have no choice. The ones with strong and imaginative business and philanthropic communities will get there first, but nearly all are trying. BTW I&#039;ve put together an Amazon a-store on the literature of urban decline here: http://astore.amazon.com/tbed-20?_encoding=UTF8&amp;node=3 as part of a broader collection on technology-based economic development all linked to my site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed that the tables can turn rapidly. As the article says, the Research Triangle innovated in the 1950s because it lacked better options, but now, the cities of the industrial heartland that have lost 30-50% of their population and much of their industrial raison d&#8217;etre since WWII all realize they&#8217;re in a life-and-death struggle. They will innovate, too, because they have no choice. The ones with strong and imaginative business and philanthropic communities will get there first, but nearly all are trying. BTW I&#8217;ve put together an Amazon a-store on the literature of urban decline here: <a href="http://astore.amazon.com/tbed-20?_encoding=UTF8&amp;node=3" rel="nofollow">http://astore.amazon.com/tbed-20?_encoding=UTF8&amp;node=3</a> as part of a broader collection on technology-based economic development all linked to my site.</p>
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