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	<title>Comments on: Detroit Roundup</title>
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		<title>By: Pete from Baltimore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete from Baltimore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 05:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MR Renn Thamk you for posting the links.I would like to say that   there have been many suggestions in the media for what Detroit should do.Some  sound good to me.Others don&#039;t.Regardless of what the government does i think that the people of Detroit should be involved in the decision making process.

 I realise that you are an urban planner yourself.So i hope that you dont take this the wrong way .But  as you know during the last 50-60 years &quot;urban renewal&quot; has gotten a bad reputation because of the fact that it often involved urban planners making decisions about peoples neighborhoods without the   actual residents being allowed to be involved in decisions that would affect them.Often they were told to vacate their homes so a new highway could go through what WAS their  neighborhood.

For instance many people have recomended bulldozing neighborhoods in Detroit and replacing them with organic urban farms. This may be a good idea for all i know.And if it is, then  it should be considered.But i do think that  the actual people who live in these areas should be asked if that is what they want beforee the government sends in the bulldozers.Ideas like urban farming CANNOT work without the involvement and support of the people of Detroit.

This does not mean that i think that people like yourself should not come up with plans or suggestions.But simply that the residents of Detroit should have a say in  the remaking of their city.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MR Renn Thamk you for posting the links.I would like to say that   there have been many suggestions in the media for what Detroit should do.Some  sound good to me.Others don&#8217;t.Regardless of what the government does i think that the people of Detroit should be involved in the decision making process.</p>
<p> I realise that you are an urban planner yourself.So i hope that you dont take this the wrong way .But  as you know during the last 50-60 years &#8220;urban renewal&#8221; has gotten a bad reputation because of the fact that it often involved urban planners making decisions about peoples neighborhoods without the   actual residents being allowed to be involved in decisions that would affect them.Often they were told to vacate their homes so a new highway could go through what WAS their  neighborhood.</p>
<p>For instance many people have recomended bulldozing neighborhoods in Detroit and replacing them with organic urban farms. This may be a good idea for all i know.And if it is, then  it should be considered.But i do think that  the actual people who live in these areas should be asked if that is what they want beforee the government sends in the bulldozers.Ideas like urban farming CANNOT work without the involvement and support of the people of Detroit.</p>
<p>This does not mean that i think that people like yourself should not come up with plans or suggestions.But simply that the residents of Detroit should have a say in  the remaking of their city.</p>
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		<title>By: The Urbanophile</title>
		<link>http://www.urbanophile.com/2009/12/21/detroit-roundup/comment-page-1/#comment-6525</link>
		<dc:creator>The Urbanophile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 02:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alon, I agree - and that&#039;s one reason I wanted it on the front page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alon, I agree &#8211; and that&#8217;s one reason I wanted it on the front page.</p>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 01:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually find the third generation auto worker&#039;s attempt at family tradition sad. Instead of telling her son to go do whatever he wants, she&#039;s telling him to do what she&#039;s done, in an industry she knows is on life support.

It&#039;s especially bad in the context of Ernest Gellner&#039;s Nations and Nationalism. Gellner explains that the reason we have modern education and culture is to support a mobile industrial society, where people don&#039;t always go into the same business as their parents. In contrast, pre-industrial societies change very slowly and are immobile, making apprenticeships and caste cultures a viable form of organizing society, as opposed to mass literacy and general education and a national language.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually find the third generation auto worker&#8217;s attempt at family tradition sad. Instead of telling her son to go do whatever he wants, she&#8217;s telling him to do what she&#8217;s done, in an industry she knows is on life support.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s especially bad in the context of Ernest Gellner&#8217;s Nations and Nationalism. Gellner explains that the reason we have modern education and culture is to support a mobile industrial society, where people don&#8217;t always go into the same business as their parents. In contrast, pre-industrial societies change very slowly and are immobile, making apprenticeships and caste cultures a viable form of organizing society, as opposed to mass literacy and general education and a national language.</p>
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		<title>By: The Urbanophile</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Urbanophile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 13:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great story - I may promote this to the main article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great story &#8211; I may promote this to the main article.</p>
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		<title>By: Wad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 05:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An interesting Detroit anecdote I can think of is from the Los Angeles Auto Show, which concluded two weeks ago.

First off, after going to auto shows for 20 years, I must say this year&#039;s was by far the dreariest. This show had the fewest of everything: cars, show models and even car makers. This year, Nissan chose not to attend the show. Even the marketplace only took up half of the convention center space.

GM, in particular, was in a bad way. GM still leased 30 percent of a convention center hall, yet it had only presented its four remaining brands (as well as Saab, which received its death warrant last week). Obviously, this left a lot of empty space at its display.

Yet one of the admirable things GM had done was who it had used to promote its cars. GM brought a few of its automobile assemblers to be the car models. All were wearing cream-colored &quot;GM/UAW quality ambassador&quot; shirts and had name badges and the plants they work at.

The Big 3 had brought UAW representatives before, typically as a token gesture with the workers having their own information booths. This year, though, GM had the auto workers discussing the cars in the job usually done by outside marketing firms.

Not only did the auto workers do a polished job explaining the car, but by talking with them you could quickly tell the dedication they had for their brands. You could ask them of their years they worked in autos and their steps up the ladder. Two people I remembered speaking with was one truck builder who was a Michigan native but transferred to an assembly plant in Texas to preserve his skills. He had been with GM for 35 years.

Another was a woman who had been with GM plants throughout Michigan for 20 years. She is a third-generation auto worker, and she is trying to get her oldest son to follow in the family footsteps.

It&#039;s quite the experience when you meet the people behind the product. I don&#039;t hold GM in much high regard, but this was one of its better efforts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting Detroit anecdote I can think of is from the Los Angeles Auto Show, which concluded two weeks ago.</p>
<p>First off, after going to auto shows for 20 years, I must say this year&#8217;s was by far the dreariest. This show had the fewest of everything: cars, show models and even car makers. This year, Nissan chose not to attend the show. Even the marketplace only took up half of the convention center space.</p>
<p>GM, in particular, was in a bad way. GM still leased 30 percent of a convention center hall, yet it had only presented its four remaining brands (as well as Saab, which received its death warrant last week). Obviously, this left a lot of empty space at its display.</p>
<p>Yet one of the admirable things GM had done was who it had used to promote its cars. GM brought a few of its automobile assemblers to be the car models. All were wearing cream-colored &#8220;GM/UAW quality ambassador&#8221; shirts and had name badges and the plants they work at.</p>
<p>The Big 3 had brought UAW representatives before, typically as a token gesture with the workers having their own information booths. This year, though, GM had the auto workers discussing the cars in the job usually done by outside marketing firms.</p>
<p>Not only did the auto workers do a polished job explaining the car, but by talking with them you could quickly tell the dedication they had for their brands. You could ask them of their years they worked in autos and their steps up the ladder. Two people I remembered speaking with was one truck builder who was a Michigan native but transferred to an assembly plant in Texas to preserve his skills. He had been with GM for 35 years.</p>
<p>Another was a woman who had been with GM plants throughout Michigan for 20 years. She is a third-generation auto worker, and she is trying to get her oldest son to follow in the family footsteps.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s quite the experience when you meet the people behind the product. I don&#8217;t hold GM in much high regard, but this was one of its better efforts.</p>
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