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	<title>Comments on: Another Epic Public Space WIN in New York</title>
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		<title>By: John Morris</title>
		<link>http://www.urbanophile.com/2010/01/28/another-epic-public-space-win-in-new-york/comment-page-1/#comment-7029</link>
		<dc:creator>John Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 23:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, but does he mention Kotkin in this post?

Anyway, it really brings up a big question. Are dense cities just a matter of taste or do they deeply enhance the exchange of ideas and play a huge role in the creative economy?

I&#039;m not an expert, but I really think cities as dense intricate webs of interation really have to exist and play probably the dominant role in an even remotely sophisticated resilient economy.

This is the core problem for the Midwest. It lacks cities that play that role and we can see that in the lack of new company and new idea generation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, but does he mention Kotkin in this post?</p>
<p>Anyway, it really brings up a big question. Are dense cities just a matter of taste or do they deeply enhance the exchange of ideas and play a huge role in the creative economy?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not an expert, but I really think cities as dense intricate webs of interation really have to exist and play probably the dominant role in an even remotely sophisticated resilient economy.</p>
<p>This is the core problem for the Midwest. It lacks cities that play that role and we can see that in the lack of new company and new idea generation.</p>
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		<title>By: John Morris</title>
		<link>http://www.urbanophile.com/2010/01/28/another-epic-public-space-win-in-new-york/comment-page-1/#comment-7000</link>
		<dc:creator>John Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I really agree with your basic point. It&#039;s what I see in Pittsburgh all the time. I&#039;m an artist and have to admit the NYC part of my bio is what gets me shows in other cities. My shows in San Fransisco and Portland were rehashes and leftovers from my NYC show.

It&#039;s a very sad and weird situation I wasn&#039;t prepared for when I moved to Pittsburgh and it undermines what should be one of the city&#039;s key advantages. We have Major universities churning out lot&#039;s of highly qualified creative design types, We have a low cost of living and reasonable location. But the relative social isolation and connections to other places as well as this provincial attitude really works to against us. Almost all the major outdoor public art in town is by non regional artists. (and a lot of it isn&#039;t very good)

I could go on and on about this. Someday, at least in my dreams a midwestern city like Cleveland or Pittsburgh will host a really open arts festival or Biennial. It&#039;s not like we don&#039;t have the space.

By the way, have you heard about the Artprize in Grand Rapids? It&#039;s well worth a post. People insulted the quality of the work, but as a way of creating and showing off the city as a place open to new ideas and creative energy, it was a big success. Perhaps the best idea from Michigan in years. 

Aaron, if you haven&#039;t already, you should post about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I really agree with your basic point. It&#8217;s what I see in Pittsburgh all the time. I&#8217;m an artist and have to admit the NYC part of my bio is what gets me shows in other cities. My shows in San Fransisco and Portland were rehashes and leftovers from my NYC show.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a very sad and weird situation I wasn&#8217;t prepared for when I moved to Pittsburgh and it undermines what should be one of the city&#8217;s key advantages. We have Major universities churning out lot&#8217;s of highly qualified creative design types, We have a low cost of living and reasonable location. But the relative social isolation and connections to other places as well as this provincial attitude really works to against us. Almost all the major outdoor public art in town is by non regional artists. (and a lot of it isn&#8217;t very good)</p>
<p>I could go on and on about this. Someday, at least in my dreams a midwestern city like Cleveland or Pittsburgh will host a really open arts festival or Biennial. It&#8217;s not like we don&#8217;t have the space.</p>
<p>By the way, have you heard about the Artprize in Grand Rapids? It&#8217;s well worth a post. People insulted the quality of the work, but as a way of creating and showing off the city as a place open to new ideas and creative energy, it was a big success. Perhaps the best idea from Michigan in years. </p>
<p>Aaron, if you haven&#8217;t already, you should post about it.</p>
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		<title>By: The Urbanophile</title>
		<link>http://www.urbanophile.com/2010/01/28/another-epic-public-space-win-in-new-york/comment-page-1/#comment-6996</link>
		<dc:creator>The Urbanophile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comments. 

I&#039;d forgotten about Maya Lin. But I don&#039;t want to suggest taking young talent seriously is a monopoly of NYC. Europe generally seems to be very forward looking here. My comment was more aimed at the heartland, where designs either tend to get awarded to established out of town names or to clout heavy locals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d forgotten about Maya Lin. But I don&#8217;t want to suggest taking young talent seriously is a monopoly of NYC. Europe generally seems to be very forward looking here. My comment was more aimed at the heartland, where designs either tend to get awarded to established out of town names or to clout heavy locals.</p>
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		<title>By: Nuno Rafael Relvão</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nuno Rafael Relvão</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 07:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ps: the work is awesome though, no questions there!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ps: the work is awesome though, no questions there!</p>
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		<title>By: Nuno Rafael Relvão</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nuno Rafael Relvão</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 07:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, he IS a first year student BUT he is 28 years old. Probably already has either a Design degree or work experience in an architectural office. Not exactly a 17 year old freshman... Let us not read too much into this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, he IS a first year student BUT he is 28 years old. Probably already has either a Design degree or work experience in an architectural office. Not exactly a 17 year old freshman&#8230; Let us not read too much into this.</p>
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		<title>By: Roland S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roland S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 06:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yea, Maya Lin immediately comes to mind for the Vietnam War Memorial competition.  Looks like the first poster beat me to it.

Certain types of competitions are reluctant to select or even accept student submissions.  If the sponsor of the competition is actually seeking to build the winner, then they often want to choose a submission from a qualified architectural firm that can follow through to execution of the design.  If a student&#039;s work is selected, then that student must be paired up with a qualified architect and/or engineer who will work out the cost and technical problems with the design.

I actually planned to enter this very competition, but I realized I wouldn&#039;t have the time to put together a high-quality submission, even if I came up with a good design.  Immense kudos to Mr. Choi - first-year students, even those with great ideas, often find it difficult to represent their ideas on paper in a way that catches the eye.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yea, Maya Lin immediately comes to mind for the Vietnam War Memorial competition.  Looks like the first poster beat me to it.</p>
<p>Certain types of competitions are reluctant to select or even accept student submissions.  If the sponsor of the competition is actually seeking to build the winner, then they often want to choose a submission from a qualified architectural firm that can follow through to execution of the design.  If a student&#8217;s work is selected, then that student must be paired up with a qualified architect and/or engineer who will work out the cost and technical problems with the design.</p>
<p>I actually planned to enter this very competition, but I realized I wouldn&#8217;t have the time to put together a high-quality submission, even if I came up with a good design.  Immense kudos to Mr. Choi &#8211; first-year students, even those with great ideas, often find it difficult to represent their ideas on paper in a way that catches the eye.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 05:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really like those bike racks, although they remind me of the Google logo!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like those bike racks, although they remind me of the Google logo!</p>
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		<title>By: m. heurtebise</title>
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		<dc:creator>m. heurtebise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 03:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those bike racks are not only distinctive and good for the local economy, they seem like they would be more useful than most bike racks -- that type of rack would give you a lot of options as to lock placement on your bike frame. A lot of standard bike racks (such as the wavy potato-masher type) are difficult to use if you have a non-standard bike frame. I&#039;d use those big metal Cs any day!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those bike racks are not only distinctive and good for the local economy, they seem like they would be more useful than most bike racks &#8212; that type of rack would give you a lot of options as to lock placement on your bike frame. A lot of standard bike racks (such as the wavy potato-masher type) are difficult to use if you have a non-standard bike frame. I&#8217;d use those big metal Cs any day!</p>
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		<title>By: jerry 101</title>
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		<dc:creator>jerry 101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;New York has the self-confidence to pick something it likes, regardless of where it came from. Perhaps that’s because New York is where reputations are made, while in other places it is where they are consumed. Almost paradoxically, a young upstart like Choi has a better chance of getting noticed in a hyper-competitive market like New York than in an ostensibly less crowded talent pool.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This doesn&#039;t seem like a paradox to me.  After all, &lt;i&gt;if you can make it in New York, you can make it &lt;b&gt;anywhere&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>New York has the self-confidence to pick something it likes, regardless of where it came from. Perhaps that’s because New York is where reputations are made, while in other places it is where they are consumed. Almost paradoxically, a young upstart like Choi has a better chance of getting noticed in a hyper-competitive market like New York than in an ostensibly less crowded talent pool.</p></blockquote>
<p>This doesn&#8217;t seem like a paradox to me.  After all, <i>if you can make it in New York, you can make it <b>anywhere</b></i>.</p>
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		<title>By: John Morris</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wasn&#039;t Maya Lin a student? Anyway, a very good point. It does seem like major player cities can be quicker to recognize unknown people or ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wasn&#8217;t Maya Lin a student? Anyway, a very good point. It does seem like major player cities can be quicker to recognize unknown people or ideas.</p>
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