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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
		<link>http://www.urbanophile.com/2010/02/18/cleveland-and-the-regionalism-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-7428</link>
		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 04:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Euro was a mistake, but the rest of the EU wasn&#039;t. Most countries on Europe&#039;s periphery, including Ireland, Greece, and Spain, would probably have remained second world if it hadn&#039;t been for access to the common European market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Euro was a mistake, but the rest of the EU wasn&#8217;t. Most countries on Europe&#8217;s periphery, including Ireland, Greece, and Spain, would probably have remained second world if it hadn&#8217;t been for access to the common European market.</p>
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		<title>By: John Morris</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 16:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bringing up the EU, likely isn&#039;t wise since it almost certainly has made Europe weaker and poorer in the long run by helping to hide and enable disfunction rather than curing it. It&#039;s failure won&#039;t be pretty.

The real cure probably comes from pushing as much responsibility down rather than up the chain. I think I grasp your concept in general. In Pittsburgh, school districts are the giant nut since nobody wants to be controlled by the Pittsburgh board of ED.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bringing up the EU, likely isn&#8217;t wise since it almost certainly has made Europe weaker and poorer in the long run by helping to hide and enable disfunction rather than curing it. It&#8217;s failure won&#8217;t be pretty.</p>
<p>The real cure probably comes from pushing as much responsibility down rather than up the chain. I think I grasp your concept in general. In Pittsburgh, school districts are the giant nut since nobody wants to be controlled by the Pittsburgh board of ED.</p>
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		<title>By: jon eckerle</title>
		<link>http://www.urbanophile.com/2010/02/18/cleveland-and-the-regionalism-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-7418</link>
		<dc:creator>jon eckerle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 04:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The general premise is that most of goverment is a service. Say 75% is service oriented and 10% is administrative and the balance is political. If all of the political entities were forced to use the same metrics and accounting systems, then cost benifit analysis would be easy. We could determine economies. If it said we could do this service better and cheaper by merger then we do that. The service part of the problem is easy. Do you want to pay more to pick up your garbage or merge. The administrative parts get harder, because you lose some local control over fixing the pothole. The political part of the equasion can remain. Perhaps the focus will become more about quality of life and less about administrative nightmares. A hyper local goverment would eventually become more like a village goverment.
The factory aspects of goverment would be measured and awarded to those that are most capable. These services would be evened out over the county or the region. East Cleveland would have the same garbage value as Beechwood.
We would all save. The whole system would be administered on the internet. Transparency. Equalization of services. Various federations for different geographic areas.... but an equalization of value across districts, including Cleveland. The core city is the core solution, and problem.
If we are to divide Cleveland into a federation of neighborhoods (boroughs).. and that federation is part of a larger federation called &quot;Metro Cleveland,&quot; then we need to share the pain together. Like the european federation, the week and the strong together make the whole stronger. The perspective on the issues will change... The infrastructure costs of sprawl will become an economic issue for everybody. Long term repacement costs of infrastructure will become an issue that will have us carefully choosing what to build. The Metro area will have a brand that represents a large geographic area and population. The economic impact of Metro Cleveland will be viewed as having substance instesd of aenemic.

In order to make the problem digestible we need to address the needs of the cities, Cleveland&#039;s neighborhoods, the basic services, and the realities of the political animal.
Cleveland will need to redefine itself politically, it is making the big sacrafice. The suburbs need to approach this with the thought that by helping Cleveland neighborhoods, in the long run, we are helping everyone. The &#039;burb&#039;s changes will be much more evolutionary and by choice. If Cleveland&#039;s govermental structure does not change then the whole thing will not work.

Cleveland&#039;s neighborhoods need to be transformend into identified structures with populations of 40 to 50 thousand, a councilman, a CDC, grade schools, a middle and high schools, fire house, police station, a goverment house for the peoples business, a community circulator and if I have my way a newspaper. These would be natural areas based on self identification rather than gerrimandering.
Areas such as Greater University Circle, Collinwood, Edgewater, West Park, Ohio City, Metro, Old Brooklyn, and Downtown. Cleveland as a concept needs to define the region not the core. People need to own West Park like people in Lakewood own Lakewood.

The census that is being done right now is going to make this a do or die issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The general premise is that most of goverment is a service. Say 75% is service oriented and 10% is administrative and the balance is political. If all of the political entities were forced to use the same metrics and accounting systems, then cost benifit analysis would be easy. We could determine economies. If it said we could do this service better and cheaper by merger then we do that. The service part of the problem is easy. Do you want to pay more to pick up your garbage or merge. The administrative parts get harder, because you lose some local control over fixing the pothole. The political part of the equasion can remain. Perhaps the focus will become more about quality of life and less about administrative nightmares. A hyper local goverment would eventually become more like a village goverment.<br />
The factory aspects of goverment would be measured and awarded to those that are most capable. These services would be evened out over the county or the region. East Cleveland would have the same garbage value as Beechwood.<br />
We would all save. The whole system would be administered on the internet. Transparency. Equalization of services. Various federations for different geographic areas&#8230;. but an equalization of value across districts, including Cleveland. The core city is the core solution, and problem.<br />
If we are to divide Cleveland into a federation of neighborhoods (boroughs).. and that federation is part of a larger federation called &#8220;Metro Cleveland,&#8221; then we need to share the pain together. Like the european federation, the week and the strong together make the whole stronger. The perspective on the issues will change&#8230; The infrastructure costs of sprawl will become an economic issue for everybody. Long term repacement costs of infrastructure will become an issue that will have us carefully choosing what to build. The Metro area will have a brand that represents a large geographic area and population. The economic impact of Metro Cleveland will be viewed as having substance instesd of aenemic.</p>
<p>In order to make the problem digestible we need to address the needs of the cities, Cleveland&#8217;s neighborhoods, the basic services, and the realities of the political animal.<br />
Cleveland will need to redefine itself politically, it is making the big sacrafice. The suburbs need to approach this with the thought that by helping Cleveland neighborhoods, in the long run, we are helping everyone. The &#8216;burb&#8217;s changes will be much more evolutionary and by choice. If Cleveland&#8217;s govermental structure does not change then the whole thing will not work.</p>
<p>Cleveland&#8217;s neighborhoods need to be transformend into identified structures with populations of 40 to 50 thousand, a councilman, a CDC, grade schools, a middle and high schools, fire house, police station, a goverment house for the peoples business, a community circulator and if I have my way a newspaper. These would be natural areas based on self identification rather than gerrimandering.<br />
Areas such as Greater University Circle, Collinwood, Edgewater, West Park, Ohio City, Metro, Old Brooklyn, and Downtown. Cleveland as a concept needs to define the region not the core. People need to own West Park like people in Lakewood own Lakewood.</p>
<p>The census that is being done right now is going to make this a do or die issue.</p>
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		<title>By: John Morris</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 00:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon, could you be more specific about what your talking about and what functions might be merged or which synergies and collaborations might emerge. I think I get what you mean. I don&#039;t know Cleveland well at all.

My guess is Pittsburgh should be following a similar path with gradual mergers and alliances rather than an all at once county/city merger which seems very unlikely.

A number of the old streetcar suburbs (most without streetcars now) like Dormont, Mount Lebanon, Edgewood and even Fox Chapel have a lot in common with the city and should be able to find common benefits in working together. Some are almost urban in many ways, have downtowns and with a bit of tweeking could be less car oriented and return to the beneficial relationship they once had with the city.

The newer exurbs have much less to gain, have little chance of supporting transit links and often are not even in the county.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon, could you be more specific about what your talking about and what functions might be merged or which synergies and collaborations might emerge. I think I get what you mean. I don&#8217;t know Cleveland well at all.</p>
<p>My guess is Pittsburgh should be following a similar path with gradual mergers and alliances rather than an all at once county/city merger which seems very unlikely.</p>
<p>A number of the old streetcar suburbs (most without streetcars now) like Dormont, Mount Lebanon, Edgewood and even Fox Chapel have a lot in common with the city and should be able to find common benefits in working together. Some are almost urban in many ways, have downtowns and with a bit of tweeking could be less car oriented and return to the beneficial relationship they once had with the city.</p>
<p>The newer exurbs have much less to gain, have little chance of supporting transit links and often are not even in the county.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://www.urbanophile.com/2010/02/18/cleveland-and-the-regionalism-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-7376</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We need to consolidate at least in name and for reporting purposes.  As a metro area our numbers (education, income, crime, housing values) are average to good.  But people often compare central city to central city, in which case, we look like a third world country.  This is disasterous for PR.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need to consolidate at least in name and for reporting purposes.  As a metro area our numbers (education, income, crime, housing values) are average to good.  But people often compare central city to central city, in which case, we look like a third world country.  This is disasterous for PR.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon,
I&#039;m not sure I follow what you&#039;re suggesting, but I do think a reorganization could help us.  We need to align, to some extent, benefits, costs, and control.  I&#039;m a homeowner in the city, and I wish we had the option of using some of the methods to fight blight that are available in the suburbs.  I would pay more for additional policing, and so would my neighbors, but people in other neighborhoods of the city either can&#039;t or don&#039;t want too.  I would like strong point-of-sale housing inspections and aggressive code enforcement.  Again, that isn&#039;t happening because the people in the distressed neighborhoods couldn&#039;t afford it.  

A lot of the things we do regionally, we do fairly well.  RTA isn&#039;t perfect, but its much better than most cities our size.  The Metroparks are good.  The Libraries are excellent (with substaintial state funding).  Even our county hospital is quite good relative to comparable county hospitals.  

I think we should consider making sales and income taxes regionally collected and shared.  We all cross jurisdiction lines to work and shop.  Local sales taxes lead to subsidized overbuilding of retail.  North Olmsted tries to grab some revenue from Brooklyn and Woodmere grabs from Beachwood.  The income taxes paid by downtown and university circle worker are controlled by Cleveland residents, and primarily benefit Cleveland residents.  The people stuck with the cost have incentive to move to Independence, Mayfield, etc.

Property taxes, in contrast, are tied completely to the location, so these should be set locally and pay for neighborhood level services and amenities.  If the neighborhoods buy services like plowing and trash from a regional provider (public or private) they will be motivated by cost savings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon,<br />
I&#8217;m not sure I follow what you&#8217;re suggesting, but I do think a reorganization could help us.  We need to align, to some extent, benefits, costs, and control.  I&#8217;m a homeowner in the city, and I wish we had the option of using some of the methods to fight blight that are available in the suburbs.  I would pay more for additional policing, and so would my neighbors, but people in other neighborhoods of the city either can&#8217;t or don&#8217;t want too.  I would like strong point-of-sale housing inspections and aggressive code enforcement.  Again, that isn&#8217;t happening because the people in the distressed neighborhoods couldn&#8217;t afford it.  </p>
<p>A lot of the things we do regionally, we do fairly well.  RTA isn&#8217;t perfect, but its much better than most cities our size.  The Metroparks are good.  The Libraries are excellent (with substaintial state funding).  Even our county hospital is quite good relative to comparable county hospitals.  </p>
<p>I think we should consider making sales and income taxes regionally collected and shared.  We all cross jurisdiction lines to work and shop.  Local sales taxes lead to subsidized overbuilding of retail.  North Olmsted tries to grab some revenue from Brooklyn and Woodmere grabs from Beachwood.  The income taxes paid by downtown and university circle worker are controlled by Cleveland residents, and primarily benefit Cleveland residents.  The people stuck with the cost have incentive to move to Independence, Mayfield, etc.</p>
<p>Property taxes, in contrast, are tied completely to the location, so these should be set locally and pay for neighborhood level services and amenities.  If the neighborhoods buy services like plowing and trash from a regional provider (public or private) they will be motivated by cost savings.</p>
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		<title>By: jon eckerle</title>
		<link>http://www.urbanophile.com/2010/02/18/cleveland-and-the-regionalism-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-7370</link>
		<dc:creator>jon eckerle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 00:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The interesting thought bubble that is brewing out of the budget / financial discussions at the City of Cleveland, has two words in it, &quot;Metropolitan Goverment?&quot;
When you think about it makes sense that it is coming now. Cleveland&#039;s census numbers are going to go down to 325,000 or so. As Cleveland shrinks so does the budget. The questioned posed would be could we develop a system where we create a local control of major neighborhoods in the city,(examples: Westpark, Collinwood, Greater University Circle, Downtown, Metro and Old Brooklyn). If we are going to continue to deal with the political reality of lots of micro govermental entities in the county can we limit the  scope of their power to local politics. The utility functions of goverment should be administered based on operational efficiencies. Since most of the govermental operation on the city level is service based ,( water, streets and garbage), we should be able to create a politically viable evolutionary metro goverment . The micro cities would have a mandate to collaborate on a common platform. This is easier in the ring suburbs because they are financially viable entities. East Cleveland, Mt Pleasant, Metro and most of the city of Cleveland are not financially viable. Core foundations of a new govermental structure needs to deal with this problem. There needs to be a realistic plan on how to make these neighborhoods viable and functional. In the country the villages and the cities are doing revenue sharing. It is possible to sell progressive planning options. A metro goverment plan needs to address the needs of the poor core neighborhoods, or they will, rightfully, disrupt the discussion. 
If the region is ever going to be viewed as a area worth considering by the rest of the world, then we need to have a population of at least 2 to three million. If that means that we need to form some kind of confederation of goverments... then we need to do it. A population in the care city of 320000 will wipe us off the world map. Metro Goverment is our only hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The interesting thought bubble that is brewing out of the budget / financial discussions at the City of Cleveland, has two words in it, &#8220;Metropolitan Goverment?&#8221;<br />
When you think about it makes sense that it is coming now. Cleveland&#8217;s census numbers are going to go down to 325,000 or so. As Cleveland shrinks so does the budget. The questioned posed would be could we develop a system where we create a local control of major neighborhoods in the city,(examples: Westpark, Collinwood, Greater University Circle, Downtown, Metro and Old Brooklyn). If we are going to continue to deal with the political reality of lots of micro govermental entities in the county can we limit the  scope of their power to local politics. The utility functions of goverment should be administered based on operational efficiencies. Since most of the govermental operation on the city level is service based ,( water, streets and garbage), we should be able to create a politically viable evolutionary metro goverment . The micro cities would have a mandate to collaborate on a common platform. This is easier in the ring suburbs because they are financially viable entities. East Cleveland, Mt Pleasant, Metro and most of the city of Cleveland are not financially viable. Core foundations of a new govermental structure needs to deal with this problem. There needs to be a realistic plan on how to make these neighborhoods viable and functional. In the country the villages and the cities are doing revenue sharing. It is possible to sell progressive planning options. A metro goverment plan needs to address the needs of the poor core neighborhoods, or they will, rightfully, disrupt the discussion.<br />
If the region is ever going to be viewed as a area worth considering by the rest of the world, then we need to have a population of at least 2 to three million. If that means that we need to form some kind of confederation of goverments&#8230; then we need to do it. A population in the care city of 320000 will wipe us off the world map. Metro Goverment is our only hope.</p>
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		<title>By: Wad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 21:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, the arts is no less a risky proposition than the conventional for-profit world, and it poses its unique set of challenges.

The arts, in particular, has the problem of becoming high school all over again. Arts communities tend to group into cliques, and there&#039;s the obsession with status (coolness, status, relevancy, etc.).

It plays out over larger and smaller communities. Pittsburgh would have one of the largest and most mature regional links and exchanges. Then again, even if you were focused on the neighborhood level, you would have likely faced the problem of not being accepted into the circle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, the arts is no less a risky proposition than the conventional for-profit world, and it poses its unique set of challenges.</p>
<p>The arts, in particular, has the problem of becoming high school all over again. Arts communities tend to group into cliques, and there&#8217;s the obsession with status (coolness, status, relevancy, etc.).</p>
<p>It plays out over larger and smaller communities. Pittsburgh would have one of the largest and most mature regional links and exchanges. Then again, even if you were focused on the neighborhood level, you would have likely faced the problem of not being accepted into the circle.</p>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 15:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wad, the Forbes list was based, among other things, on how the local sports teams are doing. In other words, it&#039;s not worth the paper it&#039;s printed on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wad, the Forbes list was based, among other things, on how the local sports teams are doing. In other words, it&#8217;s not worth the paper it&#8217;s printed on.</p>
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		<title>By: John Morris</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 16:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I want to make a pitch for expanding your blog roll. (Pretty please, can my blog be on it)

I know it seems like a small thing, but given the general lack of connections and dialog every little link helps.

When I came to Pittsburgh and started a gallery, it with some expectaion that there were more regional links and exchanges than it turned out there were. (gallery closed)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I want to make a pitch for expanding your blog roll. (Pretty please, can my blog be on it)</p>
<p>I know it seems like a small thing, but given the general lack of connections and dialog every little link helps.</p>
<p>When I came to Pittsburgh and started a gallery, it with some expectaion that there were more regional links and exchanges than it turned out there were. (gallery closed)</p>
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