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		<title>By: JB</title>
		<link>http://www.urbanophile.com/2010/04/18/the-new-look-of-the-american-suburb/comment-page-1/#comment-8539</link>
		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Apr 2010 21:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you work and live downtown in Indy (as I do) it is possible, though not particularly easy, to go without a car. I haven&#039;t yet because my car is paid fof and see no reason to sell it, but I only put about 3000 miles/year on it. 

I bike or walk to work year-round.  I primarily use the car to go to Broad Ripple or the north side and that is only a couple of times a month, or drive to the airport for work travel (and I could take a cab, bus, or Carey for that). If I didn&#039;t have a car, I could rent one from one of the downtown car rental locations.

So we&#039;re obviously not conducive to doing it, but it can be done in the downtown core.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you work and live downtown in Indy (as I do) it is possible, though not particularly easy, to go without a car. I haven&#8217;t yet because my car is paid fof and see no reason to sell it, but I only put about 3000 miles/year on it. </p>
<p>I bike or walk to work year-round.  I primarily use the car to go to Broad Ripple or the north side and that is only a couple of times a month, or drive to the airport for work travel (and I could take a cab, bus, or Carey for that). If I didn&#8217;t have a car, I could rent one from one of the downtown car rental locations.</p>
<p>So we&#8217;re obviously not conducive to doing it, but it can be done in the downtown core.</p>
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		<title>By: scrumpie</title>
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		<dc:creator>scrumpie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Apr 2010 14:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m surprised that you went to the trouble of reviewing all these grocery stores in this part of town and didn&#039;t mention Lee&#039;s supermarket, the very best one. You can get real yams there and durian too.  

Living without a car in Indy?  If an employer would pledge to hire the next employee car-free, that would be one person in town living without a car.  That employee would be required not to have a driver&#039;s license as a condition of employment.  Got a driver&#039;s license?  No job for you.    Start small with one employee.  If that works make the next hire car-free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m surprised that you went to the trouble of reviewing all these grocery stores in this part of town and didn&#8217;t mention Lee&#8217;s supermarket, the very best one. You can get real yams there and durian too.  </p>
<p>Living without a car in Indy?  If an employer would pledge to hire the next employee car-free, that would be one person in town living without a car.  That employee would be required not to have a driver&#8217;s license as a condition of employment.  Got a driver&#8217;s license?  No job for you.    Start small with one employee.  If that works make the next hire car-free.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaid @ NRDC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaid @ NRDC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 18:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice, provocative post, Aaron.  I link to it &lt;a href=&quot;http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/kbenfield/how_immigrants_are_revitalizin.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice, provocative post, Aaron.  I link to it <a href="http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/kbenfield/how_immigrants_are_revitalizin.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Regine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Regine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 19:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CDC Guy:  I&#039;m going to make an appointment to get my eyes checked!  I misread your sentence and went off on a tangent.  My sincerest apologies.  

Sometimes I get a little frustrated because of Indy&#039;s culture.  Rather than play catch-up I wish we could play leap-frog instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CDC Guy:  I&#8217;m going to make an appointment to get my eyes checked!  I misread your sentence and went off on a tangent.  My sincerest apologies.  </p>
<p>Sometimes I get a little frustrated because of Indy&#8217;s culture.  Rather than play catch-up I wish we could play leap-frog instead.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 15:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This phenomenon is also taking place in Columbus.  I see many suburban shopping/retail centers that were prosperous when I was a kid growing up in the 80s, but have fallen on hard times as development pushed further outward.  Thankfully, some of that space is being leased by first generation immigrants.  Every now and again, it&#039;s definitely worth a trip from the central city for some good Vietnamese, East African or vegetarian Indian food.  The surroundings aren&#039;t pretty, but the food is good, cheap and authentic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This phenomenon is also taking place in Columbus.  I see many suburban shopping/retail centers that were prosperous when I was a kid growing up in the 80s, but have fallen on hard times as development pushed further outward.  Thankfully, some of that space is being leased by first generation immigrants.  Every now and again, it&#8217;s definitely worth a trip from the central city for some good Vietnamese, East African or vegetarian Indian food.  The surroundings aren&#8217;t pretty, but the food is good, cheap and authentic.</p>
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		<title>By: cdc guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>cdc guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 12:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regine, please read my post again:  it said UNTIL IT IS POSSIBLE in Indianapolis to live without using a car as it is in East Coast cities and Chicago, no one will do it.  

I agree with you that it is not now possible, practical, or safe to live carless except in very limited areas, and that there is much to do to improve mass transit here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regine, please read my post again:  it said UNTIL IT IS POSSIBLE in Indianapolis to live without using a car as it is in East Coast cities and Chicago, no one will do it.  </p>
<p>I agree with you that it is not now possible, practical, or safe to live carless except in very limited areas, and that there is much to do to improve mass transit here.</p>
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		<title>By: Regine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Regine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 22:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I beg to differ, it’s &lt;b&gt;not&lt;/b&gt; possible &lt;b&gt;nor relatively easy &lt;b&gt;or&lt;/b&gt; non-threatening to live in Indianapolis without a car.  

In the winter, one will freeze in the winter while suffer greatly in the summer from the relentless sun and very bad air.  When is the last time you walked across any big asphalt parking or even down West Street in the middle of July or February?  Depending on the weather, walking in Indianapolis can be utter hell. 

A majority of the streets are not safe for pedestrians.  Not to mention, the lack of bus shelters or the many bus stops located on a patch of dirt or grass due to the lack of sidewalks.  Plus the bus routes are inane. Cannot compare Indianapolis to DC or NYC or even Atlanta.  

Riding a bike is very dangerous also; the bike lanes are not safe.  Pot holes, need I say more?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I beg to differ, it’s <b>not</b> possible <b>nor relatively easy </b><b>or</b> non-threatening to live in Indianapolis without a car.  </p>
<p>In the winter, one will freeze in the winter while suffer greatly in the summer from the relentless sun and very bad air.  When is the last time you walked across any big asphalt parking or even down West Street in the middle of July or February?  Depending on the weather, walking in Indianapolis can be utter hell. </p>
<p>A majority of the streets are not safe for pedestrians.  Not to mention, the lack of bus shelters or the many bus stops located on a patch of dirt or grass due to the lack of sidewalks.  Plus the bus routes are inane. Cannot compare Indianapolis to DC or NYC or even Atlanta.  </p>
<p>Riding a bike is very dangerous also; the bike lanes are not safe.  Pot holes, need I say more?</p>
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		<title>By: david vartanoff</title>
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		<dc:creator>david vartanoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 22:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In recent years I have been jazzed to sample one off ethic restaurants in former franchise junk food locations.   Possibly the best Mid Eastern food in Berkeley (and there is a good selection) is in a recycled KFC building.  And when I was in South Bend a couple years ago, we found some good SE Asian food in a strip mall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In recent years I have been jazzed to sample one off ethic restaurants in former franchise junk food locations.   Possibly the best Mid Eastern food in Berkeley (and there is a good selection) is in a recycled KFC building.  And when I was in South Bend a couple years ago, we found some good SE Asian food in a strip mall.</p>
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		<title>By: cdc guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>cdc guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 20:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a realistic acknowledgement of the current primacy of the automobile in American culture and society has to be the beginning place for all urban planning.  All those cars really do have to be parked somewhere.

This does, of course, lead directly to &quot;New Urbanism&quot; that translates in places like Indianapolis (without mass transit) to &quot;hide the parking lot out back&quot;.

Until it&#039;s possible and relatively easy and non-threatening to live in a city like Indianapolis without driving everywhere in a car (as it already is in places like NYC, Boston, Philadelphia, DC, Chicago), no one will do it.  To make it possible, incremental steps (as opposed to massive &quot;nuke&quot; change) are the best way forward.

Ask everyone to drive one or two miles less each day this year...then do the same again next year.  Build a good transit system and ask people to ride one day a week.  Then two.  Crawl before walking; walk before running.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a realistic acknowledgement of the current primacy of the automobile in American culture and society has to be the beginning place for all urban planning.  All those cars really do have to be parked somewhere.</p>
<p>This does, of course, lead directly to &#8220;New Urbanism&#8221; that translates in places like Indianapolis (without mass transit) to &#8220;hide the parking lot out back&#8221;.</p>
<p>Until it&#8217;s possible and relatively easy and non-threatening to live in a city like Indianapolis without driving everywhere in a car (as it already is in places like NYC, Boston, Philadelphia, DC, Chicago), no one will do it.  To make it possible, incremental steps (as opposed to massive &#8220;nuke&#8221; change) are the best way forward.</p>
<p>Ask everyone to drive one or two miles less each day this year&#8230;then do the same again next year.  Build a good transit system and ask people to ride one day a week.  Then two.  Crawl before walking; walk before running.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Travis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Travis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 14:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t disagree with cdc guy at all that &quot;urban renewal&quot; was the catalyst for some, if not all, of the worst destruction of our civic environment in the post WW II era.  But it begs the question of whether or not &quot;urban renewal&quot; begat suburbia, or the other way around.  I tend to side with the latter.  The atomic-era sentiments and general american attitudes towards what it meant to &quot;move forward&quot; (i.e. scrape off the old detritus, pour concrete into forms representing the new, declare victory atop a (literally and figuratively) whitewashed environment) guided what was meant and understood by &quot;urban renewal&quot; -- and it didn&#039;t turn out well, at all.

That said, Cabrini Green is a rather poor example of good-ideas-gone-bad in the name of urban renewal.  Yes, issues of race thoroughly permeate any notion of &quot;urban renewal&quot; (all too often a code for &quot;relegate non-whites and the poor to walled ghettos&quot;) but race played a particular place in the development and history of Chicago&#039;s projects, of which Cabrini Green was only the most notorious but perhaps not the most interesting (that distinction, I think, goes to the Robert Taylor homes) and you really can&#039;t point to Chicago&#039;s experience as iconic of the &quot;urban renewal&quot; impetus.  I think that New Haven, CT or even Albany, NY are better examples.

Too often in the Urbanophile, I sense a nostalgic desire to preserve the essence of the historic city but within the new &quot;modern&quot; suburban paradigm.  It strikes me as a have-your-cake-and-eat-it-too desire and thus all too human.  But ultimately destructive I think, due to the inherent conflicts of interest between the suburban and the urban and the fact that the former is naturally corrosive to the latter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t disagree with cdc guy at all that &#8220;urban renewal&#8221; was the catalyst for some, if not all, of the worst destruction of our civic environment in the post WW II era.  But it begs the question of whether or not &#8220;urban renewal&#8221; begat suburbia, or the other way around.  I tend to side with the latter.  The atomic-era sentiments and general american attitudes towards what it meant to &#8220;move forward&#8221; (i.e. scrape off the old detritus, pour concrete into forms representing the new, declare victory atop a (literally and figuratively) whitewashed environment) guided what was meant and understood by &#8220;urban renewal&#8221; &#8212; and it didn&#8217;t turn out well, at all.</p>
<p>That said, Cabrini Green is a rather poor example of good-ideas-gone-bad in the name of urban renewal.  Yes, issues of race thoroughly permeate any notion of &#8220;urban renewal&#8221; (all too often a code for &#8220;relegate non-whites and the poor to walled ghettos&#8221;) but race played a particular place in the development and history of Chicago&#8217;s projects, of which Cabrini Green was only the most notorious but perhaps not the most interesting (that distinction, I think, goes to the Robert Taylor homes) and you really can&#8217;t point to Chicago&#8217;s experience as iconic of the &#8220;urban renewal&#8221; impetus.  I think that New Haven, CT or even Albany, NY are better examples.</p>
<p>Too often in the Urbanophile, I sense a nostalgic desire to preserve the essence of the historic city but within the new &#8220;modern&#8221; suburban paradigm.  It strikes me as a have-your-cake-and-eat-it-too desire and thus all too human.  But ultimately destructive I think, due to the inherent conflicts of interest between the suburban and the urban and the fact that the former is naturally corrosive to the latter.</p>
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